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Arsenal Are Rubbish-Quick, Look AT ME

Fortunately for me, I’ve been stuck in the wilderness with no internet.This seems to have been a blessing in disguise, as the usual melt down occurred  with the normal lack of perspective. From what I can gather, the game changed when Watford were brought back into the game with a phantom penalty? Correct me if I’m wrong ? After that it seems a panic set in and the team did not perform well in the final knockings of the game.

So immediately, following a desperate wait of 7 games, the good and the great of Arsenal bloggers, tweeters and podcasters,were able to rush for their cyber tools, and launch headlong into their tried and tested attack on the manager, players, board and assorted scapegoats.

Well then, here is my opinion of what the headlines for these turgid efforts should read

“A BLOG IN THE PERFECT IMAGE OF ITS AUTHOR”

Every defeat is evidence of incompetence and every victory is evidence of the opponents’ incompetence.

Here is the thing, we are all disappointed following  a defeat. We all get annoyed by the mistakes made by footballers and the perceived mistakes made by management, but we don’t all behave like demented toddlers that have had their ice-cream taken from them. We don’t all have to break our necks, rushing to our phones or laptops, to take to Twitter and blogs in an attempt to be the leading prick on the internet.

You can be critical of Mesut Ozil for missing a golden opportunity, but can also see that he set up 3 decent chances in his cameo. You can be critical of Xhaka for not doing enough to stop the goal, but realise that after 2 international games and 90 minutes of PL action, he could be tired both mentally and physically. You can think that Jack should have been subbed on, but accept that because of an injury to out best CB, that wasn’t an option. In other words “be fair”.

We were basically cheated out of the points, as we were at Stoke, that’s 6 points. SIX POINTS.add them to the total and things would look a lot different. If you’ve been burgled, perhaps you could have bought a guard dog, or a better alarm system, but the fact remains, is not your fault that a ne’er-do-well broke into you home. Be disappointed with the performance of the team if you must, but at least be outraged at the dreadful officiating.

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141 comments on “Arsenal Are Rubbish-Quick, Look AT ME

  1. As for the Southern refs question I am sure we have done this before – if you look in the Championship and League one and two there are loads of southern refs

    And the fans in the Championship, League One and League Two say they are utter shite, week in and week out, same as the Northern ones.

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  2. As none in the pgMOB.
    I believe since Riley’s anointment.

    Yep.

    Noted.

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  3. I wrote just the other week that if we get the relatively friendly Mr.Friend in a tricky away contest or a big fixture I’ll remark upon it. Because it would be remarkable!

    I’ve been describing him as the friendly mr.Friend here for about two years now. Therefore a critique of the pgMOB is not a critique against the job of being a ref. To be very very clear and also repetitive:
    these officials at the top level where so much is at stake (£) deserve the help that they have not been getting. And that’s why VARs is now being used elsewhere. For starters.

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  4. The successful calibration and application of VARs in the faster and therefore harder to officiate Olympic Hockey tournament was witnessed here in London in 2012.

    That’s nearly six years ago now.

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  5. And, let’s face it – in the Champions League there are some rubbish refs too — and arsenal are not even playing in that this season.

    In fairness there are some good ones as well — in all competitions.

    Eddie did you have a go at The Times/sport training videos that I mentioned yesterday?
    They were for offsides admittedly, but they are not as easy as might be thought, as every thing has to be decided in a plot second.

    Awarding penalties, or not, is also done in a split second, so that even well intentioned refs can get them wrong – and the rubbish refs can get them wrong too, but they can also fail to award penalties for the same reason.

    We need technology to help with these decisions — but as you and I have reported — even with technology refs and ex-players can see things differently, even taking their time and looking at various different angles.

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  6. They managed the calibration in the hockey alright. It’s a harder game (for a ref: smaller faster ball, sticks in the way etc.).

    Not. A. Problem.

    They could even broadcast the discussion between the officials as to how they calibrate and make their call to the audience! And footballs will fly eh?

    If and when the pgMOB arse up the application of the tech for the officials that will be theend of any threads on this topic.

    Hells bells if even the gin snorting maniacs at the MCC can sort out the tech for something as complex as the LBW law, to the betterment of their sport and the enhancement of the onfield officials respect no less, then…well…England expects.

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  7. they even broadcast the chat between the 4th official and the on-field ref:

    Blimey. Can you imagine? And it was such a good call too. We can praise the help whilst acknowledging that it would’ve been difficult for the on field ref to spot the chest from that tiny minuscule little ball/puck thing.

    they’ve set the bar. Very nicely too. Admirable. England awaits.

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  8. Hey, what do you fancy tonight? Curry or Chinese?

    — I don’t mind mate — I like ’em both.

    OK, that should be enough time to make them think we were sorting the penalty shout.

    —- Love this CCTV stuff.

    Yeah – let’s screw them Arsenal bast*rds – now, which finger do I use to point to the spot?

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  9. I sent a post on this a couple of hours ago but as I was using London Midland railways free Wi-Fi I assume it did not go

    The point I was trying to make is that if one looks at the pictures in the times today., used to support clattenberg, you will see that both support the opposite view.

    The larger one shows richarlson’s back foot in a position that he could not be walking, let alone run. He was clearly already on his way down before any possible contact.

    The second smaller one shows him leaning on bellerin, also indicating that he was on the way down already.

    We have seen many times players getting penalties even though it is clear that they are already falling before any contact.

    A cheat is a cheat is a cheat whatever clattenberg, a man who we used to end his career in the pay of the Saudis. Those great democrats.

    The problem will not stop until clubs fine heavily their own players or take even.mor drastic steps.

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  10. I get the motivation behind all this. The intention is good. But christ, there isn’t a fanbase in the country that doesn’t have a few who think their team isn’t being given a fair shake. From the ludicrous “anyone but United” thing, to the lower half’s big club bias. Pick one team and spend a couple of minutes reading a message board.

    It’s the danger of investigating something when you’ve already made up your mind. People will seize on inconclusive data, random deviations – that sort of thing. Man, I’m no scientist.

    If anything it reflects well on you for being so reflexively biased towards AFC!

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  11. I’m off to see the Winged Victory of Samothrace next month. Ain’t nobody denying that she’s one of the most amazing statues ever fashioned. It doesn’t matter that she has no head or arms.

    Which is a really pseudy and clumsy way of saying that this team has flaws and will lose games fair and square. But it’s still Arsenal. To me, as long as AW is true to his style the team can fall short (especially viewing the competition) and still be a thing of beauty.

    What I don’t like is when he singles players out in press conferences, or when we pack players behind the ball to defend a lead. That’s not AW.

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  12. BK,

    But she does have lovely wings!!

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  13. HB, she does! I’m a total philistine but I’m looking forward to meeting her torso.

    Man that sounds bad.

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  14. Those who can support, do.
    Those who can’t, blog.

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  15. Got that slightly wrong.

    Those who can, support.
    Those who can’t, blog.

    Is how it should read. Had beer.

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  16. to be fair and reasonable towards the highly paid fully professional (hah!) hockey officials I don’t think that they were talking about the Arsenal in the clip above.

    Just doing their jobs! Doing them Well. And effficiently too.

    One can only assume that these highly paid fully professional (!) officials are not managed by a private company (they probably are!) that has admitted in by their own words that their employees are instructed in “game management” (now that would be remarkable! Like admitting in public that they have their own flexible code variant. That would be: weird.)

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  17. Thought I’d come to vent some spleen and woe after seeing Clattenberg’s verdict- been beaten to it long ago I see!

    At least we know why he didn’t give Alexis those pens on separate occasions at Goodison…wasn’t running fast either time.

    Almost too stupid to believe that he puts forward the equation that attacker running fast, getting touch, and contact with defender equals foul (though he seems to avoid that word, sensibly, shittily), and pen…it’s as though he has literally never knowingly encountered the concept of the attacker seeking out the contact, as was the case here.

    How he reached the top of the profession with that large black hole where understanding should be will have to remain a mystery.

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  18. Ps I’m open, in theory at least, to the idea I’m completely wrong about our refereeing friends.

    Perhaps what appears as reality to me sadly isn’t. Maybe- ho-ho- I am just like the other fools who believe, wrongly, that it is *their* team who is terribly hard done by. Liars or, more likely, chumps, or just not smart or fortunate enough to be able to overcome the ever present threat of biases and the like.

    Maybe Utd never did get special treatment (suspicious bk, suspicious). Maybe it evens out for everyone, even us. Maybe game 50 was just one of those things to even out some time, or, drat, it wasn’t even anything like as bad as I imagined it to be with my feverish brain.

    Maybe our dire penalty statistics are just a ten year bout of bad luck, or testament to our diminished attack and defence (Sunderland, Villa, Stoke- like, except top four each year and with all kinds of statistics that bear no resemblance to theirs but match those teams- attacking, top four teams- around the globe who do significantly better than us).

    Whatever. I honestly am open to the idea, and have the odd moment where I waver, mostly only in terms of degree (of rightness/ wrongness)…fuck me, though, what if I’m wrong? What if I’m reading the reality of Arsenal seasons wrong, automatically, without any awareness of it, or control.

    Not good (if you can do it once, spectacularly, comprehensively, in one domain, what about elsewhere…?)

    It’s an unpleasant, heady, darkly funny notion, but I consider it. Dismiss it for the most part- because what can you do if, to you, it’s authentic reality, well supported by evidence?- but the door’s never closed totally. What’s real to you is real, to you. Hence a lot of the world’s problems

    I even have theories, or one at least, as to what I could be up to : I’m struggling to deal with our fall from the glorious top two years and that, combined with not wanting to be among the other strugglers who savage Wenger and the players, means I must find another available target. My foes from the North.

    That and it’s just natural, especially for morons and no-gooders, for your football fanatic to feel their team is persecuted.

    But no, I think they fuck us royally. I think Wenger badly upset the boss of English football, Ferguson, and he used every ounce of his power with great success against him. I think Wenger is a thoroughly decent, honest man, which in so many ways makes him a bad fit for the football world and an even worse one for the prem. There’s surely more to it than that but those two are a bloody good start.

    One of my theories, in the event of me being right about those largely weak or rotten fucks, as to why good, smart, happy enough people might not see it is because, well, it takes away so damn much from enjoyment of the game, creating a massive incentive not to see it.

    (For Wenger loathers it’s a different matter- nothing will get in their way of attacking him.)

    Seeing it as I do but watching nonetheless, really is the stuff of a hopeless addict, or someone who, simply, doesn’t have better things to do…plus (though the first two are admittedly true) the good days are still beautiful to me, or something.

    Already I look forward to Thursday’s game, the weekend’s not so much as it is back in the hands of those swine or honest gentlemen, however it is to you; where our players have to, in the opinion of most, be so much tougher than they often are, while making damn sure not to get within touching distance of anyone running fast towards them, etc

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  19. ‘Arseblog’ as usual is talking from the crack of his arse. A blog in the perfect image of its author. The rant of a 7 year old, truly pathetic.

    In his hubris, he thinks he is a better manager than Wenger. What has he ever managed? Certainly not a football team. He cannot even manage his anger after a loss. Pathetic!

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  20. These days my footballing anger appears to transit through three distinct phases, one after the other:

    1. Disappointment that the AFC players were somehow unable to overcome a perceived post-interlull malaise (insert whichever circumstance might apply).

    2. Wearisome fury with the well-worn antics of the northern-based private company charged with game management and their evident inability to achieve even a modicum of consistency in its application (eg treatment of Welbeck v Richarlaton’s penalty claims; blindness towards (almost) all assaults on Giroud throughout ANY game, regardless of supposed ‘speed’ achieved by the fair-game Frenchman).

    3. Sickening nausea triggered by the mini-army of pretend fans and would-be journalists and writers who attempt to relaunch their failed or failing writing careers on the back of the latest calamity to hit the club they (very) loosely purport to ‘support’.

    Add into that little lot the dire state of the nation’s sport’s media (football section), the evident madness of some ex- and still serving referees, players and other assorted odds and sods – and you have a potent mix of malevolent emotions ready to sweep over even the most steadfast, the most braced-for-setback-supporter, the most determinedly ‘balanced’ observer, that it makes merely watching the game these days a perilous activity in terms of retaining one’s good humour or even basic mental health.

    I’ve found that stepping back has become the only sensible and rational course of action though I admire the ‘mental toughness’ of those ‘average’ supporters somehow able to stay the course.

    You are all bigger supporters than I am.

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  21. Great post Andrew. About where I am at the moment.

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  22. Rich, “anyone but united” is what Man United fans perceive as a bias against their team. If they’re susceptible to this sort of thing anyone is.

    On the penalty thing, I’d venture one simple answer. We weren’t as good anymore, so spent less time in the opposition area and teams spent more time in ours. Reminds me of the whole Mike Dean thing. We had a bad run in games he reffed, and it looked dodgy until you saw that those matches were ones vs the big sides.

    I do think Ferguson had an unhealthy influence over the PL by virtue of longevity, growing larger than life and being a terrible loser. I think he pushed the limits of fair play and intimidated referees on the sidelines and in interviews. It’s no coincidence that the winning run ended there.

    I don’t think he ever needed to go any further than this: He already had the biggest, richest club, and a lot of people from the BBC to referees were cowed by his mere presence.

    But to play devil’s advocate there might not have been a 50th game if Pires hadn’t conned the ref vs Portsmouth ten games in. That was even more cynical than Richarlison on Saturday. We were a pretty streetwise outfit back then too.

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  23. AA,

    Interesting comment you made @ 2:52 — I doubt that I am a bigger supporter than you – and that thought does not really cross my mind – we are all so different and complex and how we support the club is also unique.

    I absolutely understand your 1st stage feeling of disappointment when/if the Arsenal lose – and that describes me too.

    Your other transient points (2 &3) are also understandable, but I could not care what critical people whom I do not know think/say — that’s their problem. Stuff them.
    And I can do nothing about the football ‘authorities’ (FIFA/FA/PGMO) — so stuff them too.

    Don’t allow them to get to you. Chin up, sir. lol

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  24. Hi BK,

    Football and its supporters tend to be tribal, and the supporters of every other club tend to be a little bit insular and do not always see that their own views are mirrored by unhappy supporters elsewhere.

    For example, some of the Everton fans are engaged in a heated ‘war’ and hoping/demanding that Koeman should get the chop – what/who does that sound like?

    In Manchester they are rather cock-a-hoop because their respective teams are doing so well, and their managers are deemed to be genii (OK, geniuses) so their fans tend to reflect the superiority and the high expectations of winning every game they play. (Rather like Gooners in the Invincible days?)

    Clubs like Aston Villa and Newcastle always think they are being shortchanged by the absence of transfer funds, and are incensed by perceived poor quality owners, and see their clubs as ‘special’ and deserve to be winning competitions ….

    All very similar to every other bunch of fans – including some Arsenal fans.

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  25. I have to mostly agree with Andy Nic., the main reason Refs. make bad calls is that they are deceived by cheats

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  26. Those players do not see themselves as cheats, PG, they think they are artistic interpreters — and rather like bullfighters leaping over the bull, and stabbing the poor beast in the back — as such, they would like to receive a round of rapt applause for gulling the referee/lino similarly. Olé
    The bastardos.

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  27. Agree with Henry – they don’t see themselves as cheats and why should they when they have a small army of media types justifying their appalling behaviour as ‘clever’ (Michael Owen), ‘wanting it more’ (Shearer) and all the other bits of shorthand used to excuse them.

    The whole issue – as personified by the charade of the FA’s brand new Diving Panel – is deeply unsatisfactory.

    Ultimately it diminishes the game and we are all poorer for it, in my opinion.

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  28. Reine-Adelaide injured and Dragomir scores stunner as Arsenal U23s beat Sunderland

    Premier League 2

    Arsenal 2 (Dragomir 48, Akpom 77) Sunderland 0

    By Jeorge Bird @ Emirates Stadium

    Vlad+Dragomir+Arsenal+v+Tottenham+Hotspur+BitZdxGcMTIl

    Two players at very different stages in their development were on the scoresheet as Arsenal U23s eventually managed to break down a determined Sunderland side to prevail with a 2-0 victory at Emirates Stadium tonight.

    After 45 minutes in which very little happened, the game sprung into life early in the second period when Vlad Dragomir scored his first ever goal at this level with a fine strike.

    Chuba Akpom, who had provided the assist for Dragomir’s goal, later went on to find the net himself, with the 22-year-old getting his second strike of the campaign for the U23s.

    Despite Sunderland showing a little more attacking intent in the closing stages Arsenal managed to hold on as they bounced back from the defeat that they suffered to Everton last time out, although the win was slightly besmirched by the injury suffered by Jeff Reine-Adelaide in the first half, with the Frenchman enduring yet another setback in his development.

    Reine-Adelaide, rather unexpectedly, was deployed at left wing-back, with three other first-team players also involved in Mathieu Debuchy, Francis Coquelin and Akpom.

    Ainsley Maitland-Niles, Reiss Nelson, Joe Willock and Matt Macey weren’t in the squad, perhaps with Thursday’s Europa League game against Red Star Belgrade in mind, although Ben Sheaf was named amongst the substitutes for the first time this season after recovering from a fractured vertebrae and goalkeeper Deyan Iliev made his first competitive appearance for the U23s since the 2014/15 season.

    Iliev

    Debuchy-Olowu-Dasilva

    Osei Tutu-Coquelin-McGuane-Reine Adelaide

    Dragomir-Nketiah

    Akpom

    Subs: Sheaf (for Reine-Adelaide, 20), T. Bola (for Coquelin, 46), Medley (for Debuchy, 46). Not used: Virginia, Balogun.

    Reine-Adelaide, having been out for several weeks through injury, seemed eager to impress early on and the Frenchman embarked on several dangerous runs down the left flank.

    At the other end Iliev had to be alert to make a save from a header but it was Arsenal who created the majority of the chances in the opening period.

    Marcus McGuane, who was very lively throughout, did well to find Akpom, who came close to scoring and then Debuchy had a goal disallowed.

    Arsenal’s momentum was disrupted a little by the injury to Reine-Adelaide, but there was at least a positive to take from proceedings as he was replaced by Sheaf, who went on to produce an assured performance on his return to action.

    Coquelin’s experience and energy helped Arsenal to dominate in midfield, while Debuchy, playing on the right side of the back three, was impressive.

    Osei-Tutu, meanwhile, provided a frequent attacking threat as he galloped forwards from right wing-back and he had an effort saved in the closing stages of the first half.

    Arsenal made a pre-planned double change at the start of the second half as Zech Medley and Tolaji Bola replaced Coquelin and Debuchy.

    As a consequence, Josh Dasilva, who had started at centre-back and then moved to left wing-back, took up his third position of the game as he pushed forwards into central midfield.

    Arsenal took the lead shortly after the restart when Dragomir found the top corner of the net with an unstoppable effort. The much-hyped Romanian youth international needs to gain more experience at this level and must perform with greater consistency in order to reach the top but this was a reminder of the undoubted quality that he possesses.

    The young Gunners immediately grew in confidence and they had another chance to score when Bola darted down the left and his cross eventually found Dasilva, but the versatile starlet’s effort was deflected wide.

    Sunderland threatened sporadically as Arsenal were repeatedly reminded that their lead was a slender one.

    However, Arsenal squandered an excellent opportunity to double their advantage when Eddie Nketiah, who is usually so prolific, shot wide from close range following a mazy run by Sheaf.

    Iliev then made an important stop to prevent Sunderland from equalising before Arsenal finally gained greater control of the game when Akpom finished well after a neat move.

    Sunderland refused to give in and tested Iliev once more but the goalkeeper, not showing any signs of rustiness after so long out, was equal to everything that was asked of him.

    Arsenal took all three points and now face intriguing fixtures away to Tottenham Hotspur and at home to Chelsea.

    Sunderland may be the worst team in Premier League 2 according to the table but they made matters difficult for Arsenal at times tonight and coach Steve Gatting will be pleased that a defence that was altered on several occasions throughout the evening managed to keep a clean sheet, with Joseph Olowu and Medley both impressive.

    Akpom, meanwhile, will hope that his contribution tonight won’t have gone unnoticed by Arsene Wenger.

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  29. I don’t know about artistic interpreters Henry. They certainly see themselves as ‘clever’ and because the absolute priority that is attached to not losing football matches then there is literally no action that at manager will condone to get his ‘lads’ over the line. Who should be setting the behavioural standards for your players, schooling them on the quint concept of right and wrong? The FA ? PGMOL ? Their mates ? The TV pundits ? Their mum and dad ? No not in my view.

    Any other business, well maybe not every other business, if your employee was caught cheating the rules by which your activity was regulated by, and which you had signed up to, you would take internal disciplinary action against them. In professional football that is inconceivable.

    It is the manager of the club who must set the standards and enforce them. And if he can’t or won’t do that he should fuck off.

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  30. George,

    I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that players cheating is one of the primary reasons people from the Rugby Football codes, from Cricket, from Tennis, Hockey etc. have been offering bullshit free assistance for their officials these past thirty odd years. Though we can refer to the record and also see that serious problems with biased officials was an issue in the cricket. No more.

    I think that most humans will agree that in Association Football is easier to see the ball then in Hockey. They are doing ok with this stuff in the Hockey, no surreal debates on ‘breaking the flow of the game’ etc. I was surprised to see the level of assistance for the officials in club level Hockey nevermind the international level. Whatever will they think of next!

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  31. You beat me to it on the ‘clever’ button Andrew

    On the example of Owen do you remember his big grin having conned the referee into awarding a penalty when we played Argentina in 2002 in Japan ?

    And which Argie did Owen manage to all over ?

    Step forward Delle Ali’s current mentor

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  32. < meaning that if the application of these aids now being trialled by other Football Associations (Bundesliga this season, i think) by the pgMOB over the next few years deviates a fair amount from the succesful process' that we see in the Hockey and fails to avoid controversy etc then there won''t be much left to say!

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  33. bk

    bit of rush at moment so can’t read back through comments, but if I misinterpreted Utd comment back there that was a silly mistake from me!

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  34. This is my stab at the gradient on ‘Diving’:

    There’s Mane on Rosicky (Bellerin’s debut). Classic technique from Mane, inviting the tackle and then tumbling. We’ve all done it in the park when goofing about with friends (hey I wouldn’t cheat in a real contest! Only for laughs. Honest! Because i’m not/was not good enough to play in a real match…).
    I’m hopeful that those of you who’ve been commenting on the referee thread above will recall that there was no here griping about that Mane dive, no critique of the official etc. just lots of praise for the debutant opposite an experienced and canny and skillful opponent. There it was!

    Then you have Vardy on Monreal also in N5 (so many to choose from!).
    You can, if you’re feeling charitable. excuse Clatters for that one. But it was an obvious telegraphed dive. For me, a dissapointing call from any official.

    Any number of Chamberlain tumbles to win any of his pens for AFC
    Classic technique he’s got it nailed down as good as Mane when it comes to ‘winning’ pens. Where not talking about a dodo flying and then dropping off a cliff a la Rooney on Lehman here! We need to maintain some standards! Any ref falling for that is crap! Or worse…(there were even more disgusting calls in that match which as we all can openly admit was a fixed football match. Right?)

    Rooney on Lehman
    This would be embaressing even in a park kickabout where everyone is already diving and goofing about.

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  35. http://arsenalist.com/f/2017-18/watford-vs-arsenal/watford-penalty-+-dive-1-1.html

    This is much more obvious then the Vardy dive. By some margin. Vardy knocks the ball to the side of Monreal, Vardy had lost control of the old football but at least the ball was still on the funting pitch! Here, the ball has been kicked into touch! This call was at best: risible.

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  36. < He's still in the first stage of falling/tumbling as the ball crosses the touchline! Mane/Owen etc would not be impressed.

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  37. anicol its up to the fa and refs to force the cheating out of the game, but the richarlson incident show they have no interest in doing so. he conned the ref, but the fa panel declare he has no case to answer. 80 bpl games and his was only case of diving even looked at, what does that tell you, what does clattenburgs comments about it tell you.

    it all tells me there is not one jot of interest by the fa or pgmol at stopping cheating,

    it wont be long till the fa and pgmol claim that no one being banned for diving shows how little diving is in the english game and what diving is happening is clearly being spotted by the refs

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  38. < it's the distance bewteen the ball and the tumble and also the delay that would've made the dive obvious to a distant (Arsenal of course) commentator sat up in the stands. Which is how and why he made the live call that it was a dive.

    -I only watch the games with Arsenal commentary!

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  39. anicol its up to the fa and refs to force the cheating out of the game

    I disagree – unless you are suggesting that the FA were given the right to exclude clubs, players and managers who cheat or allow cheating to flourish for long periods on the spot. ( Jose for example)

    Without a massive increase in the FA’s powers the present status quo will remain in place, that clubs and footballers have no responsibility at all or that they should be require to stick to the rules. Why football is not like other “businesses” or even other sports in terms of sticking to the rules is that everyone cheats. Cheating is celebrated, cheating is “clever”.

    It is up to the participants in a sport to stick to the rules and to punish those who cheat. The problem is with football is that cheating is a way of life and no amount of FA action or referees within their present limited powers can change that.

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  40. Oh just wait until there is a marginal call with an Arsenal Player getting a Pen, even if no-one appeals for it, it’ll be a clear dive and the FA will come down like a ton of Bricks just you watch, all the better if it’s an in form Sanchez

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  41. Accompanied by backing up as to how it is different from the Watford one

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  42. I was born and brought up in Hackney I grew up and played football in a very much different time to now. Hackney Marshes was a tough breading ground for players of all standards, the pitches alone a bog in winter which turned into a badly plough dust bowl in the summer.

    There was no political correctness especially on the pitch , the ref’s were subject to less scrutiny and no censure than the ref’s in this time. If the ref felt so inclined to tell you that he didn’t like ‘your sort’ or ‘You’re all the same’ and referee the game with that open bias there would little most often no recrimination.

    At the FA hearing you are told ‘Just get on with it’ nothing to see here ,so you do or quit playing the game you love.

    People like me said NO!
    We won’t quit, we will use that as motivation and strive to be better.

    People like me said ‘Own it’
    It is clear,there will be no saviour coming on a white charger shield in hand. If you want to win you are going to have to take charge yourselves.
    I say the players must try to take themselves to the next level, focus on their personal execution.
    Take it out of the ref’s hands

    I say do NOT give the ref the excuse to allow the other team back in the game, do your job , show supreme excellence at the big moments,disappointment is not a totally valid excuse for a professional sportsman.
    Disappointment is motivaton for the next time, that sense should be brief .
    Disappointment should stay with the fans.

    This is a very good squad, it will be back Mr Wenger has so much guts he is the toughest out there.

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  43. anicol the fa set up a diving panel and so far its not doing its job, the claim the set it up to rid the game of diving, ban those that dive etc, and 80 games in 1 incident is all they even looked at, and then take no action. FA has the power, they are choosing not to use it.

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  44. I don’t understand what you mean “the FA has the power” The FA does not have the power to make players abide by the laws of the game much less the spirit of the game., Their employer encourage them to cheat. If a player cheats and it works he is rewarded. If his cheating does not wok or he is caught and punished by a referee there is never any action by the club to correct his behaviour.

    If players and their employers are determined to cheat, and they evidently are, then football requires a damn sight more muscle to correct the problem than a diving panel.

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  45. WWB

    Those refs you describe from yesteryear sound just like Glen Clarke or the recently sacked England Women’s manager. IBSF

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  46. I had to finish some work today – and had a break from blogging, anywhere.

    Just got back and the thread seems to be self perpetuating, and in danger of flying in ever decreasing circles like the oomegoolie bird – and you know what happened next.

    Still, if you are all enjoying it — good on yer. lol

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  47. of course the have the power, under their new dive panel they can ban a first time offence with a two game ban, it increases with any further ban, but as I’ve already stated, 80 games, lots of diving and the FA only refer 1 incident so far, and he gets off. If the FA done its job we would already have seen several players banned so far, including England darling Deli Alli,

    The FA is the ones paying the PGMOL too, so they can get them to do more.

    The FA and the PGMOL keep telling us that their refs actually do not make mistakes, every single performance is assessed, and they keep coming out with stats like 99% correct calls and nothing missed. Utter bullshit, its all about claiming everything is correct.
    Refs have admitted that in their meet ups they discuss with each other what to watch out for from certain players, yet it took them a full season to pull Jamie Vardy for his leg into the defender and throw himself to the ground.

    We see it time and again with new tweaks to they things they will pull up on, such as the grappling at freekicks and corners, a couple of penalties given at start of last season, and then as is the norm the refs stop pulling for it, so its not that they don’t see it, as there can be no reason why they can see it for first few weeks of the season but after the initial stamping out of something, then just ignore it. Clearly a conscience decision has been made, the PGMOL has by the looks of it instructed them.

    As I stated the other day, the FA dive panel has as one of its members judging dives a man who has said on many occasions that “you can’t be certain anyone dived unless you know what the player was thinking at the time of the incident.”, you tell me is that not making it clear that the FA don’t want to punish a diver, What would it take for Trevor Sinclair to change his view on divers. He and several more of the panel have also expressed, in the past, that diving is not part of English players game. Come on, how can people with such views actually be on the panel looking to punish divers. It would be like asking PSG and Man City to run the FFP committee for FIFA

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  48. Leicester City have sacked their manager, Claudio must be laughing at that

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  49. Eduardo

    I’m almost certain pgmol are paid by the premier league, not the FA.

    Good chance I read it in one of the ref’s autobiographies, either Webb’s or Halsey’s. Think they spelled it out as well that pgmol’s bosses are the premier league and it is they who can sack the head of Pgmol, as they did with Hackett, and choose the next person.

    Something i find pretty outrageous is that cash is apparently tight for the FA in terms of training referees from grass roots up to the point where they are eligible for pgmol selection.

    It makes zero sense for this to be the case given the extraordinary amount of money currently in the premier league. The premier league ultimately can only get any new refs from the FA-trained pool yet they have never shown any interest in supplying a level of funding in any way commensurate with the vast riches of the league.

    It’s pretty odd, especially considering the pool of elite refs here is smaller than in any other major league, and smaller than the number set out as appropriate -22-24- at the inception of pgmol.

    Scudamore and the premier league are, it seems, very content with the smaller pool; Pgmol, too, most likely.

    Unfortunately, it also seems certain that the clubs themselves are happy with the situation and don’t believe extra resources and extra referees are necessary. For all the moaning they must be happy enough with how they do/ the system operates.

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  50. Actually the F.A. and PL are there to change the rules for the better of football the refs are just there to enforce them.
    While the refs job is made more difficult by cheats the amount obvious things refs get wrong and the amount of time they don’t enforce the rules leaves them wide open to ridicule and allegations of bias.
    The tackle from behind ( when making contact with an opponent) is rarely punished properly. A throw can be taken from virtually anywhere and the feet are often over the line.
    The reason we the disappearing spray at free kicks is because of refs for years failing to enforce the ten yards.
    In the English game a refs apathy is compounded by the pundits and medias lack of knowledge for the rules as well.
    Oh and yes players do cheat and so do rich owners and the governance of football as well.
    Football is now a business and it stinks.

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