In this podcast we look at which transfers we have got right in the last 2 years and muse on what we need going forward. I believe this is our most important window in living memory.
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Top pod lads, good combo and lots of ground covered. Georges point about being the most important window in ages, really stays in your mind and I liked Ehab’s analogy of the ‘hungry person in a supermarket’ and where its left us, summed up the last years well.
COYG!
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I wonder why anyone might think that we might pick up in the transfer window anything other than some more lemons for Arteta to place under his thumb.
Good luck to the wishful thinkers.
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What transfer system we operating this window? Kids again? More Williams n Runnarsons? Please the fans with expensive signing that is barely better than what we already have? We using scouts? Or Some super agents black book of rejects? Judging by the past 3/4 yrs we are going to waste a lot of money initially and then about 2yrs later we pay them to leave and pay a better club than ours to take them of our hands. Sorry this campaign has reduced me to sarcastic cynic.
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Mikel and Edu have already performed many U turns so of course they can do it again. The PR machine will just spin as a good leader being able to change his mind just as the Tories do every time Boris fucks up and they have to change course
We brought experience, that was a fuck up,
We concentrated only on youth that was a fuck up, we got rid of Arsene’s signings that was a fuck up and we got rid of anyone who didn’t 100% agree with Mikel (because he couldn’t man-manage players) and that was a fuck up.
We have got rid of the wrong players at the wrong time.
I think the only signing that has made a difference is Aaron, but even then that was to cover the mistake of selling Martinez, who was the better keeper, when Leno would of fetched more money.
As far as new signings are concerned I agree with jigsol why would any top class player who has a chance to play at a CL club come to us. So because of that I think we can throw George’s transfer hopes out the window.
We must also consider, if we don’t believe we will get top four which we won’t that this will be Saka’s last season and any other player who does well this season as well.
Although I agree with George this is an important window actually all windows are important because they set you up not for the season ahead but beyond that as well.
I really can’t see us pulling up many trees this window although I do fancy Bissoma from Brighton if we can get him without losing Xhaka.
The only saving grace is we have seen many times before when teams are unable to add significantly to their squad the consistency has made them better.
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I laughed out loud today thinking about all the banners, A4s, flyovers, pundits and loud angry(frightened) voices wanting the old Weng to sling his hook. Saying the game had passed him by ( erm, how did he get the job at FIFA then, seems like hes on it now at a much higher level of influence?)…
Then they started going on about legacies. What a joke! His legacy is so fantastic, the bench mark he set for club values and ethics, buying and nurturing players (with anti cash) exquisite football, extending careers, and changing how the game is played (and lots more of course).
No matter the PR spin, no matter what anyone writes, its all carved in marble. Its a case of beat that…every year its shadow grows longer…
Its forked us all.The club, the fans, the game, the blog. Its painful, but quite amusing in an absurd way too, that is if you can see the absurdity as amusing.How people think they know whats best for all, but really its for themselves, and when does service for society in some form ever work when its like that?
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When the people on twitter for example won’t have any negatives against Arteta I often ask if they were Wenger outers or not. Massive foot shooting by AFC
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When manure didn’t get the transition right after old red nose left (or didn’t give Moyes the time or the backing) they have suffered massively over the years. They have the cash and the world wide appeal to still get players but are still finding it difficult because they are not in the CL.
When you think about our situation, forcing Arsene out, pulling the rug from under him in his last two seasons (and more), no transition planning, no CL, big players being forced out
and the lack of cash compared to the big boys it is difficult to see any player worth his salt wanting to come here.
Why would a player like Jesus who has medals in his pocket, is on loads of cash, is still a big pull from loads of clubs around the world reduce his wages by a large amount and opt out of the CL with only a small chance of every get back in it makes no sense.
Even Eddie and MO I think would be better off elsewhere because Mikel obviously doesn’t fancy them and they won’t be first choice if he can help it. Surely for their international careers they would be better off playing every week and where they can make a difference.
Also if youth players see that Mikel doesn’t like taking a chance on them when he has the opportunity (rather than being forced) then they will go earlier as well.
The whole club seems very fragile at the moment and a couple more mistakes like we have seen from the club over the last few years and we might take decades to recover.
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Wasn’t only Wenger they lost, to a far lesser extent, they lost the experienced Ivan Gazidis as well , creating a vacume upstairs, we all know who filled that, and it is taking time to recover.
This all coincided with Kroenke Sr handing over things to his son, who was and is going to be on a learning curve, as is Vinai and just about anyone else you can name at the club.
I have no idea what the Wenger succession plan was or why it went so, so wrong, I am not sure we will ever know the full details.
But, I think a case can be made that Arteta has done a decent job given that backdrop. Yes, some mistakes were made, nut very few predicted them to finish as high as 5th, so anyone who had them down as finishing 6th to 10th to relegation has to give them at least some credit, however begrudgingly, especially as they only really had a functioning striker in probably an handful of games and were at times without 3 first choice defenders for the run in.
Pipped at the post by 2 points, by a vastly more experienced squad and manager, with two very high quality goal scorers who stayed fit all season unlike most of our players, who coincidentally rank amongst the most ref protected players I have seen outside a Fergie team or an England captain of 25 years ago.
Yes, I know the team don’t score enough goals, it is clear Arteta has his favourites, as did Wenger and every other manager, I know the defence hasn’t been great this season, though with the rare luxury of a first choice defence and MF, they were getting a lot better.
But whether some like it or not, Arteta will be given more time to sort this by those that matter in the club, and judging on what I have experienced this season, by the supporters in the stadium as well, he isn’t going away, and no matter how some may wish, Wenger isn’t coming back, not in a meaningful role anyway, why would he? nor is any manager like Wenger on the horizon, nor I suspect anyone with the bravery, kudos, or access to the quality of players to play like Wenger once did. In fact, I can’t think of any team who now plays Wengerball, City might have their moments, but not quite, and City have things this club do not.
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Looking at some of those stats really drive home for me how much arteta is a poor mans Mouriniho \ Moyes clone.
We have 6 Midfielders who can play centrally of the 6, 2 are attacking midfielders and 4 are DM’s or players that are defensive minded that think defense first.
just 2 attacking Midfielders centrally. (far cry from Ramsey, Ozil, Carzola, Mykatharian).
But that squad players does not tell the whole dog shit story!! we have players on loan that we are paying other clubs to have
William Saliba, Héctor Bellerín,Pablo Marí,Auston Trusty thats 3 Center backs to add to the existing 3 CB that stayed to make 6 CB’s.
Add Torrera to the list of DMS and you got 5 DM’s (virtual team of defenders)
We jettisoned any midfielders that might have had a hint of creativity in Maitland, Niles.
Nelson probably more of a forward than mid in my view.
Oh and there is Runarrson.
So, that’s 19 defensive minded players in a squad of 28 players, so that is 9 players who try to think attack first but are stifled by arteta desire to micromanage everything so their creativity turns into football by numbers. And people wonder where the midfield that was thought of as the best in the country (even when we were not winning) and one of the best in Europe is, and it is no where to be seen with this fraud of a manager, executives and owner.
The more I think about it the more I want to disassociate myself rather than having a constant hump with the team and club .
Rant over.
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The succession plan was to milk dry the kitty Venga bequeathed to the club whilst the Arsenal holes who by their own words over recent years have exposed that they know nothing about the football roared on their approval
drooling at the hounding out of good footballers who have the wrong agent to be replaced by average footballers who have the right agent.
As an alleged gooner arry redknapp must be spitting bricks and smashing in land rover windows in rage!
TBF It’s a great plan if you are a talentless fuckwit who inherited someone else’s much respected legacy.
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“As an alleged gooner arry redknapp must be spitting bricks and smashing in land rover windows in rage”
Hahaha good one Fins.. Genuinely cheered me up.
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Top chat today, lots of interesting points of view…old Wenger pulls!
Wenger might be gone, and not coming back, but hes not going away either!!
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Mandy, Mikel is intrinsically linked to the shower of shit upstairs so giving him credit for scraping by with position in the league is really clutching at straws.
I thought we would finish between sixth and eighth but there is no way I could of imagined so many other teams would be so bad.
We can’t give Mikel credit for chelski, spuds and manure having such bad seasons, Leicester having so many injuries or West Ham doing so well in Europe.
We have to be realistic and not just say we got fifth that’s not bad. We weren’t playing in Europe , we were out of the cups in January and also the fixture list seemed to supply us with playing teams when they had their best players out.
Any other club given these advantages would have done much better, third was there bent over with its arse waiting to be kicked.
Had we kept all our own youngsters or played good football then we would of had something to cheer but if we’re honest most of the season was grim.
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Oh and we were the biggest spenders in the summer window as well,, which makes it even worse.
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biggest spenders last summer, and it amounted to getting us a massive one point closer to top spot than we did the season before.
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Under Arteta we seem to have a very simple transfer philosophy, make signings and if they don’t work out just sign players to replace them, and if you can’t sell the first guys you bought, just loan them out or pay someone to take them on loan.
I see Maitland-Niles is being linked with a £6m move to Nottingham Forrest, Bellerin, Mari and Torreira have all made it clear they don’t want to come back to arsenal
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don’t know if its been mentioned here earlier in the week, but Arsenal have to appoint new managers for the U23’s and the U18’s this summer after u23 boss Kevin Betsy, left us to join Crawley Town as their new first team manager and brought U18 head coach Dan Micciche, with him
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Ian, I am sure he is aligned to those upstairs to some degree, but haven’t seen evidence he is some sort of puppet for them , he is , left right and centre, phasing out players who cost the club a fortune, losing them for very little. Is that what those upstairs have always wanted? Some might say this is following their demands to save money on wages, others would view it he thinks they were not good buys under the previous regime and wants to build his own. Arteta seems quite a strong character to me.
As for the others being poor and letting us to fifth, I don’t have the stats, yes, LCFC has a lot of injuries, but so did we, especially at the end of the season.
The spuds were poor much of the season, but were able to recruit well in Jan and have bought in an expensive supposed world class manager. Plus Kane and Son having unusually injury free seasons.
Utd, yes, poor. Chelsea weren’t their best but still finished third.
Comparing the weakness of others as a reason for success or relative success, if you took that to its nth degree, that leads to those who decry Wenger for only having to deal with Utd, and very few others during those years.
We weren’t in Europe as you say, but in effect, nor were Spurs, apart from a couple games where they played the kids, the Spurs who finished just two points above us with their experienced squad , who incidentally had many slices of fortune their way, an almost complete lack of injuries to the key players, protected players and two of the softest pens going that proved very significant seasons end
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The spuds played five games in conference of which Kane played 4, yes they played SOME kids but this was built around experienced players.
Five games less up to the end of November no a massive advantage but an advantage none the less.
As far as injuries go the stats tell us we were very lucky with injuries until we decemated our own squad which was our own fault.
As far as wages go you say the players were costing the club a fortune but pales into all significance comparing the loss of the CL money. The wages thing was another gamble that didn’t pay off in other words another fuck up especially when you factor in wages of the new boys who either didn’t plan or didn’t play well.
Transition has to be managed and no one can say this has been managed well. Since Mikel has been there we have two transitions already which have cost the club an absolute bundle.
Is project experience followed by project youth now going to be followed by project in between.
The test on whether you think fifth was really good this season is how many people actually believe we will get fifth or four next season and I bet it’s not many.
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Although I’m not a great one for stats here’s a couple of interesting ones,
Our last season’s total of 45 games was the club’s lowest since before the first world war, the 1912 season in fact, so just the 110 years.
With 502 playing days lost through injuries we were considerably better off than our rivals with the spuds losing over 700 and Leicester over a 1000. Everton had over 1200.
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Emery got slated for the woeful run at the end of the season that seen us throw away a top 4 finish when it was fully within our own hands, but somehow Arteta having an even worse run of results at the end of the season when again we had both hands on a top 4 finish is somehow a sign of progress. Go figure.
I seen some say that the big plus for Arteta is that the fans in the stadium are fully behind him and that fans are really enjoying going to our games this season, that there is none of the splits, or moaning like there was in Emery’s time here and Wenger’s last season or two. But one thing being overlooked is that its not fans enjoying going to our games for the good football, they are just damn glad to be going to games at all, lockdown being over has given them a great to be at games again attitude, and for me that won’t hold water next season. If results and the football are as poor as this season, the moaning and boos will return loud and clear. The PR will get a rude awakening if the football don’t match expectation.
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Weren’t a large part of those spurs injuries the likes of Tanganga and Skipp, possibly Winks?, ie nobodies? Doherty to a lesser extent, but not really on a par with what we lost during the run in, or for that matter, the Covid situation start of season, games were later cancelled for less than affected our squad on the opening day
Leicester, well, we just blew them out of the water,we were just a lot better than they were, injuries or not, and aren’t Arsenal supporters always toLd by pundits et al that injuries are no excuse, so presumably this applies to other teams?
I agree, not many people believe we will get 4th or 5th next season, but if they do, I hope they get the credit they will deserve, because they will need to do better than richer, more experienced teams, they will need to overcome referees who allow opponents to regularly try and kick the likes of Saka out of games, who make up rules to card our players twice in the same sequence of play when we threaten City in a game, they will have to overcome mainstream pundits who will do all they can to knock this club
But the crux of the matter, Arteta. A rookie who does not know what he is doing? Someone clever but too clever by half? A bully who can’t handle challenge? A brown nosing sycophant to those upstairs? Or a strong single minded character who knows what goes on and sees the need for some root and branch change of culture?
I don’t know that, nobody outside the club really does but I am pinning my hopes on the latter.
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Blowing Leicester out of the water is not something to be championed when we are supposed to be the bigger club, spent the most money out of everyone in the summer, had half the injury they did (500 days lost less) they were involved in Europe to the end of the season and we were supposed to of had a good season.
It was the wobs that were saying injuries were no excuse and certainly no one on here.
The spuds played more games than us, had the disruption of manager changes, and had over 200 lost days more than us (some were squad players but some of ours were too) The fact that some of our injuries were three important players during the run in that we had no cover for was again because of the mismanagement of the squad. When you consider how well Elneney played we are only really talking about our full backs.
If we look at history all the bigger sides that have had a season not involved in Europe have done well.
If anyone adopts the attitude of we come fifth let’s not consider anything else then it really is a ” I see no ships” moment and raising telescopes to our blind eye is really not a way forward.
Mandy I’m glad you have hope but all football fans do in-between seasons, even I have a little but all these facts keep smacking me round the head.
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I think most pundits and many others had us to finish below Leicester, and Utd for that matter.
There are certainly grounds for some hope for the club, even for those who do not like Arteta. Despite clear and obvious flaws in the squad, combined with the injuries to key players in the run in, and possibly January strategy, we finished 8 points or so clear of the previous season, with a points total that would often mean CL. There every reason to believe that with the acquisition of more players, including bolstering the attack, we won’t accumulate more points next season, more points than 69 will likely be top four.
I’m expecting such an improvement next season. Some of our players are young, and will get better. The team will be strengthened.
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Some outstanding comments here over the last few days. You get nothing like this on twitter.
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You are correct the team that finished the season will be added to although we have already seen not being in the CL will allow other clubs to get players we would consider. There is talk of both Spence and Richalarson going to the spuds, two players we were alleged to interested in. We also can’t compete for players with manure and maybe even Newcastle.
Again you are correct most people had us finishing below Leicester and manure but both teams had all sorts of issues that probably won’t be repeated this season.
We played the fewest number of games in over 110 years and with more games this season we will get more injuries.
I do think we will improve next season but firstly that doesn’t always flow through to more points and secondly I think some of the teams around us will improve.
Just manure or the spuds finishing above us means another season out of the CL and the likes of Saka will go.
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The scary thing ignored by the big blagging idiots who are to a large degree responsible for the running down of the Arsenal is that because they believe in their own egos over the record of great Master’s & genius’ of the sport that they slagged off whilst blowing smoke up their own Arsenal holes (a good trick in a circus freak show but why would a normal person do this and celebrate it?):
Unfortunately there is so much rubbish out there many did not notice that a good coach like Conte brought in good footballers for not a lot of money, good footballers like Betancer who is simply a better midfielder then any signed by our club since we lost our own good coach.
And that this season the spuds finished above Arsenal simply because they signed good players for average money (whilst the Arsenal have been signing average players for lots of money).
All those funting idiots that admire Levy and who value dodgy money over talent & skill have got their wish they whilst the footballs fans in Tottenham are praying that Conte continues to make the calls over Levy.
It’s a simple game.
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There is so much rubbish out there many people did not notice that a good coach like Conte brought in good footballers for not a lot of money, good footballers like Betancer who is simply a better midfielder then any signed by our club since we lost our good coach.
And that this season the spuds finished above the Arsenal simply because they signed good players for average money whilst the Arsenal have been signing average players for lots of money.
All those funting idiots that admire Levy and who value dodgy money over talent & skill have got their wish they whilst the footballs fans in Tottenham are praying that Conte continues to make the calls over Levy.
It’s a simple game.
If in doubt: look to the lowest common denominator, the bottom feeding dollar (or why would any coach swap a one legged Rocastle or Davis for a Jenson?).
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We should not forget the pgmob Handicap season after season which is approximately about ten points, every season.
A handicap that has retarded English Football so far we now see the demented spectacle of Mike dean lauded even whilst the England trophy shelf collects dust. The writer of the Damned Utd knew what he was writing about! The people that turned their back on Clough are not fit to wear the shirt.
And that is the real reason the spuds got 4th.
but everyone and their dog who have chased a ball will know about the Handicap and that does not excuse the running down of the club & the destruction of the legacy left by a Frenchman for a once great English institution.
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on injuries to our fullbacks and Partey in the run in, well Arteta totally to blame for the loss of Tomiaysu, he rushed him back to play in the CC semi v LFC, cos “we didn’t have any other option”, despite having the option of doing what we did in the previous league game, putting White at right back and playing Holding at CB, also we had just loaned out AMN who could have played RB, we already had Bellerin out on loan too, the squad was slashed by design, not some unfortunate accident as some would like to portray
also Tavares and lokonga were both bought last summer just for the very situation of having good back up players, but it seems both were a pig in a poke signings. Both so bad Arteta afraid to pick them unless no other choice. Xhaka used at left back instead of tavares. and elneny had to be brought in ahead of sambi
and on the subject of Sambi Lokonga, I see reports today that Arsenal are getting as little as €10M for Guendouzi, a guy who is now a regular in the France squad, while Lokonga couldn’t be used against any of the top sides, or in the vital run in games, and its worth pointing out Lokonga is only 6 months younger than Guendouzi.
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Fins, your right about the officials although not the ten points a season it used to be but certainly the three we would of needed to get top four.
The ironic thing is at the start of the season, and this proves the bias even more, when we were shit we were getting decisions like the dodgy goal in the Norwich.
It wasn’t until we started putting a few runs together and crept up the table that the fantasy rules started coming out again.
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Well it seems like me and Mandy contra mundum.I think the only real hope Arsenal have is to either fix the PGMOB, or persevere with an approach that hopes to develop a side who will grow together and through teamwork defeat more expensively assembled squads. Now that Newcastle are able to outspend anyone I suspect top four will be beyond the reach of most, with 3rd or 4th place each season in the gift of the Premier League narrative makers.
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I wonder where they will loan out the new Brazilian lad.
It’s also not agreed with Eddie yet so he could still go.
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The Marquinhos signing looks good, three eager talented strikers is excellent. I hope we don’t go mad and buy a “Recognised” striker that will stop the progress of the other lads.
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What experience does Marquinos or whatever he is called have against Premier league defences, working with midfield that is incapable of much if any creativity, working with a coach who requires him to do what he is told throughout the game and whose only attacking tactic is to require the ball to be crossed to an area where there is no one capable of doing anything with the crossed ball?
We are looking at another potential lemon.
I feel very sorry for him
As for us, I fear we are beyond sympathy.
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2 weeks today Arsenal begin preseason training, for those players who were not on international duty. Our first preseason game is currently set for July 8th
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The officials are a major issue. Yet again, near the top for red cards, one of the lowest fouls per card. Constantly seeing refs just looking for an excuse with our players. An unprecedented red card, two yellows in the same passage of play against city for that dirty limb breaking fouling scoundrel, Martinelli. Mike Dean looking straight at a guy kicking out at sakas lower limbs and doing nothing. Johnny Evans red card against us ignored. Spurs soft penalty record at home in recent NLDs, Just for starters.
There have been reports suggesting Mike Riley is fighting for his job, with a number of clubs complaining about referees, I really hope we are first in that queue. These reports, if they are to be believed, suggest he may have to bring in Howard Webb as a peace offering , or indeed, he may even be replaced by Howard Webb. But Riley isn’t done yet, he will want to stay on until he’s 90, and of he knows one thing, it’s to look after powerful clubs, a bit like Howard Webb
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Ian, agree with your earlier posts, other teams should improve, but no guarantee.
Utd, may take the new manager time , 6 years if the recently departed ex manager is to be believed. Chelsea, let’s see where their new ownership takes them, and how they balance the debt payments on £4bn, will some of that be paid for by the club? Whatever, these new guys won’t be like RA.
Spurs, good manager, but one of the most volatile going, when he leaves, he leaves a lot of problems, and he will leave Spurs. I still don’t see them having Kane and Son injury free as they were this season again. Spurs were lucky, I would also mention officials with them.
Newcastle, who knows.
Liverpool, two of their main stay strikers want out, both relatively rarely injured , refs love them, prolific, will their replacements match the Mane and after next season, Salah, they might, but they might not. Also, in contrast to us, Liverpools injury record, and ability to press for 90+ minutes all season while going for four trophies, interesting to say the least. Might have to start using asthma inhalers and caffeine pills myself !
City, out of reach until they look properly into FFP , which they won’t
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Mandy, I think your take on our rivals is a bit rose tinted although you are right there are no guarantees.
Again I have to point out we have just completed the fewest number of games in 110 years and recorded lower days lost through injuries than all our main rivals.
chelski, spuds, manure and Leicester have all had disrupted seasons and West ham league form was in the end affected by a long run in Europe.
It is difficult to imagine all of those sides having the same sort of problems again and us not being affected by more games and more injuries.
I do think we will get better but not enough and another season without CL football will continue to hit us hard.
Spuds have already seem to have got Spence and Bissouma two players we were interested in and probably would of got had we been able to offer CL football.
This window might not only be the most important for a long time as regards who we sign but it could be very important as regards who our rivals sign. The failure of missing out on fifth could come back to haunt us massively.
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Bissouma! They can have him. Has he yet been cleared of an extremely serious accusation? ( genuine question)
Anyway, I will take Tielemans over him for a number of reasons, if that happens.
Spurs look very crowded in the CMF area
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I would imagine there is either a clause in the contract or there is an assurance that something has already been sorted with the courts.
As for Tielemens, will he step on Oddegarrds toes pushing ESR further down the order. As Mikel doesn’t fancy Elneney and with Partey injury problems is that what we need.
Patino and Azeez are both excellent passers of the ball and can produce for the front three.
I’m not sure which player would be the better buy but my thinking would only be that Bissoma at less than half the price would allow us to strengthen in other areas.
If we do get Youri then I hope he is the link between advanced midfield and the forward line but at the moment I’m not sure.
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ian many seem to think that Tielemans will be a replacement for Xhaka
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I hope he isn’t a replacement for Xhaka, but who knows. If we sign T, just hope he makes things a little more positive and progressive. Take your point on ESR and MO, but we need players like that, the PGMOL allow them to be kicked, and hopefully, we will be fighting on a few fronts so will need a bigger squad, that, and an avoidance of tired players running out of steam.
Bissouma , if he is as good as some say, he’s relatively cheap at that price, is he near the end of his contract, or just a high risk buy? If he is I am glad we left well alone, assuming we were ever interested that is. I would be surprised if there is a clause if he were to be charged and found guilty but guess it is feasible , but just wonder of Brighton want him off their hands and quickly whether he is charged or not
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on the rumors that Mike Riley might get the boot from the PGMOL, some are suggesting Mike Dean will get his job, oh my.
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Mike Riley, get rid! But Dean!
Had also heard reports of Howard Webb getting some sort of position of prominence , good news for Utd if that is true.
But if these jobs really must be taken from the useless batch of English refs, perhaps Clattenberg the best of an appalling bunch
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