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Same Old Arsenal, Always Cheated?

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Good afternoon positive people.

Well that game left me with mixed emotions. I was happy that after 15 minutes we wrestled control of the game and dominated them for the remainder of the half. We seemed to attack at will and created many good chances. We could, and perhaps should, have been 2, 3 or even 4 up, come half time. They simply couldn’t live with Xhaka and Ceballos running the midfield, and Lacazette, Saka, Aubameyang terrorised them for a good spell.

However, that happiness is tempered with how we totally lost control in the second half, were dominated by possession, had Eddie sent off and ultimately were hanging on for a point.

We had the best half of football for ages, followed by one of the worst. And yes, the referee didn’t help, but we didn’t help ourselves either.

On balance I feel a point was fair, although disappointing too.

Top four has been a pipe dream all season, so perhaps now we can stop with the wishful thinking and enjoy the fight for a Europa place.

Pedantic George.

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  1. Like everyone else, this felt like a defeat (upon waking this morning I had to check it had in fact been a draw). We were playing really well and there were three or four attacks of genuine quality, one of which resulting in our goal, that got the juices properly flowing for the first time in a couple of years. The feeling felt like a welcome return of an old friend and that this happened against the ‘mighty’ Leicester, was doubly exciting and satisfying.

    It would not surprise me if player fitness comes into the equation sooner or later, and this will be true for all clubs, so expect a procession of unusual or unexpected results and let’s not assume we are down and out of anything, yet.

    Just on one talking point – I had little problem with the Arsenal dismissal, we’d have been howling for a red card had it happened to us. And yet it HAD happened to us and I thoroughly object to the VAR operatives replaying Eddie’s incident and compelling the ref to check his pitch-side monitor, whilst barely registering VARdy putting a boot through Mustafi’s face following a swing of the leg even George would have been proud of, a few years ago. It matters not whether VARdy ‘meant’ it or is/is not ‘that kind’ of player; the absence of a single replay or invitation to the ref to check his monitor for the first incident is frankly appalling.

    That the Eddie incident was only about the third time a PL ref has actually checked the pitchside monitor tells it’s own disgraceful story.

    No doubt more shenanigans upcoming in the weekend derby, so brace yourselves.

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  2. The Wolves ref tried to tilt things in the home teams favour in the second half, Brighton was Brighton, we saw what we saw yesterday, and we know what we will get at Tottenham, the softest of pens against just for starters.
    Just as well the club have announced a lawyer on the board, although I suspect the PGMOL are not in his firing line unfortunately, but guess you never know

    https://www.arsenal.com/news/tim-lewis-appointed-arsenal-boards

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  3. Can’t agree a draw was fair, even though we surended possession I honestly don’t think Leicester would of scored had we not gone down to 10 men.
    Although we would of been screaming for a red card so would any set of opposition fans but refs are not supposed be biased they are supposed to make neutral decisions based on the laws of the game and the context of the match.
    In this game the ref had been overly leaniant and had ignored several instances of Leicester players going through the back of ours at least two deliberate blocks a few tap tackles and then gave the benefit of the doubt to vardy for a kick at Mustafis head.
    If you ref with an attitude of its a man’s game I’m going to let everything go then if you don’t apply that to one incident late in the game then you are cheating.
    Obviously I would rather he had reffed the game properly and in that circumstance the Leicester defence, who were struggling anyway, would of collapsed.
    Just like the Brighton game the officials had an effect on the game because of their negligence or honesty.

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  4. this clip for me shows, despite what jamie redcrap says, that Vardy meant it, the little sneeky look then the unnatural leg extension, maybe our martial arts expert can tell us what he thinks of it,

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  5. Vardy certainly meant something, perhaps a body rather than a head shot, but the hallmarks of a spiteful individual who knows exactly what he can get away with under Mike Riley’s bunch . This is a guy who dived his way to the best part of twelve penalties when they won the league, uncontested by anyone in the media

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  6. It seems the pitchside VAR monitor has only been used two times this season for red card decisions and they were both against arsenal, last night and the PEA sending off

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  7. Arsenal have appealed Eddie Nketiah’s red card against Leicester

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  8. Vardy had to really reach for the head shot. It was 100% intentional.

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  9. that was my view too george, he unnaturally extended his leg, the little look before hand to get his sights fixed on him, I really don’t know how anyone can think it was an accident

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  10. Mike Riley is overseeing something both corrupt and shambolic.
    Sadly, he will only be removed if Liverpool and Utd ask for it ( turkeys, Christmas)
    Either that, or if taking on aspects of the English game are within Wengers remit

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  11. Arsenal loanee Joseph Olowu to stay with Cork City for rest of Irish season

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  12. I tweeted this a few minutes ago, it just had to be said

    no no no, its not fuck VAR, its fuck the PGMOL Game Managers, it is they who are fucking us over, not the actual concept of VAR

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  13. Comical that the West Ham game threw up such a quick example of them not using pitchside monitor when case for doing so was as strong as could be.

    I can’t imagine another club ever being in this situation of ours, especially as for a real comparison you’d need to imagine them being 15 years or more deep into the situation, but I feel pretty sure they’d attack it aggressively, using any means.

    It’s what seems to happen when any of the others have relatively minor grievances, like a bad pen record over a single season. That was case with Chelsea and recall Martin Samuel doing the digging and analysis of their poor pen record for a year. Basically they all use the press as a tool to try apply pressure.

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  14. Agree, VAR should be able to help refs, unfortunately Riley has it used selectively to pursue his agendas .
    I don’t think Riley is top of this chain by any means, but I hope the day this all sees the light of day, and there is a chance it will, just ask Lance Armstrong and a few Italian clubs, amongst others, just hope the PGMOL head is first in the dock

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  15. It likely relies heavily on friendly media outlets, and even friendlier individual journalists, or maybe editors are the key, probably…. and admittedly there is no evidence we have anything like that. Not Crossy, not Lawrence.

    If that’s case, maybe there’s very little we can do media wise…but if there’s any one or any chance of finding sympathetic channels, I’d like to see us ask for an official FA/pgmol explanation of why monitor used last night but not tonight. Fight for that explanation, then leak whatever flimsy insufficient explanation they can muster for it.

    That’s surely the only way we can attack this bullshit

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  16. Breaking news, stop press!!!

    Make sure you’re safely seated for taking in this stunning news,

    A Liverpool player has received a yellow card!

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  17. They appear to have four Mandy. Maybe someone’s been on twitter today and not liked the attention on stats showing we have more yellows than Liv Leicester combined. The normal patterns from our seasons are to try make stats look slightly less odd once results matter less or not at all. Be interesting if we see those two teams getting yellows at very different ratios in final run of games, and we might do a little better ourselves if safely out of contention.

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  18. well it seems Arsenal have the most red cards in this season’s EPL, also the most yellow cards, and that is despite being the team that lies 14th in fouls committed

    nothing odd about those stats at all, now is there

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  19. Agree Rich, their stats over the season, and ours look complete anomalies , in fact, they look completely stupid.
    We are certainly out of contention for the big prizes, but wonder if they have spots earmarked for the Europa league as well, starting with our opponents this weekend
    Guess all will be revealed when Dean named as ref, Atkinson on VAR, Kane gets a penalty when Mustafi breathes on him, Saka has his leg broken off the ball in a televised but unpunished incident , Son scores when five yards offside and Auba has a goal disallowed because he is a Gemini

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  20. And I think we have given away joint second most penalties this season Eduardo, and I strongly suspect we will concede at least one this weekend too
    And some thought Wenger was the source of this PGMOL problem
    I know I am a broken record but the club should be fighting this for all they are worth…perhaps they are, perhaps they can’t yet , perhaps it’s not worth their while, but would love to know what they are getting from their apparent silence

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  21. The only reason we are watching any football in the PL at this time is because the clubs are bound by a contract with the broadcasters, a contract that didn’t include force majeure, apparently, which is a fascinating insight in the ugly underbelly of the beautiful game.

    The broadcasters and the Sweet FA

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  22. A change of subject, interesting article with a comment on Guendouzi by his former manager at Lorient.
    “Guendouzi’s problem is not physical or technical it is his attitude.”
    It went on to say how damaging he can be to the team morale.
    An interesting one and as we have let a lot of young talent go it does hurt. He can be headless chicken on the pitch so whether the promise he shows will be the real deal is hard to predict.
    I have to say that after hearing that comment from a former manager you have to think that he hasn’t shown any humility or learnt from previous errors.
    Time to move on I say and let project Arteta develop and grow.

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  23. Saw this linked on UA, if true, IFAB losing control of VAR to PL Collina and FIFA

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8505501/Premier-League-WONT-able-alter-offside-handball-rules-VAR-FIFA-control.html

    And even better, just scroll down to the bit about Wenger

    If true, time to go Riley

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  24. Sounds like KSE have bought out, refinanced, or done something Swiss Ramble might understand to some of Arsenals Debts, presumably stadium repayments?
    Some suggesting it could release more money to the club, don’t know enough of such things to comment on that sort of thing

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  25. Great to see spuds drops a clue of points against Bournemouth, they look shit but have got four points from their last two games.
    Maureen playing dull safe boring football so we will need to score first and keep them under pressure on Sunday.
    PGMOL turning down Eddie’s appeal so getting involved already.

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  26. It bothers me that the tiny tots are behind us leading into this. God knows what Riley’s goon will allow

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  27. Oof. How much is too much from Riley and co before it becomes madness to put so much real emotion into football?

    To keep caring, hoping, dreaming etc when there is the likes of that Utd pen this evening.

    Riley should be shitting himself that pen could finally lead to some serious scrutiny of his regime, but I think even now he’ll be safe. It is unthinkable, apparently, to all within media and the game that anything could be seriously amiss. But it is. No qualified referee can believe that is a pen having watched a quick replay.

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  28. Rich, if you believe Richard Keys twitter feed, IFAB and the Prem League losing control of VAR to PL Collina and FIFAs world wide wide standard means Riley is toast .
    Richard Keys, yes I Know, but he has been saying Riley will get his comeuppance for some time, His corrupt ver VAR maybe the final step too far.RK has faults and an ego, but undoubtedly at least some inside knowledge.
    And , sounds like Wenger has been and will continue to be very firmly involved in the changing of the guard with VAR, I wonder if Arsenal are being punished for that this year, or is that just too conspiratorial? But think about it, FIFAs standard means refs have to check pitchside monitors, which we know is over Riley’s And the EPLs collective dead body, and as we know, Arsenal have been the only victims of this in the league, twice, a bitter Riley getting his own back at either imminent unemployment, or at best, a lot more scrutiny and accountability, from FIFA?
    Let’s face it, if FIFA are having to , in effect clean up the English ver of VAR, damning on Riley , Ellery at IFAB and Others, I still reckon we could see people in the dock one day.
    One more thing, Keys reckons Michael Oliver involved in this weekends NLD, not good for us, at all.
    But hopefully, from next year, Riley and Co will find it much harder to use VAR for their agendas, assuming Riley is even still polluting the game, and I don’t doubt they will be under serious scrutiny, the force for good that is Wenger is now involved.
    Or we can but hope

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  29. I actually think it will make them worse, some Frenchman telling us how to not be corrupt this is England you know.No doubt backed by all the the nationalistic press.

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  30. so the PGMOL have rolled out Michael Oliver to game manage the NLD on Sunday, God Help AFC

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  31. think that was Man Utd 13th penalty in their 34 EPL games this season, well Scudamore did say the EPL needs a successful Man Utd to keep the money rolling in, so why wouldn’t the PGMOL give them a hand

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  32. Oliver again just after Wolves? Got must fo better on his report from Riley. I don’t think I will watch.

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  33. so what will the hissy fit brigade do now that KSE have loaned Arsenal money, another one of their stupid soundbites gone

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  34. Is Oliver now,confirmed? I was hoping Richard Keys had that wrong.
    But hopefully he is right on Riley , though the supposedly retired Scudamore, Sky, Utd, Liverpool, Leicester and others won’t let their useful idiot… who I am convinced someone has some serious dirt on…. go lightly

    Yep, the PGMOL embarrassing themselves over Utd this evening, again….media silence no doubt
    Eduardo, some of the more negative fans already suggesting SK has bought that debt so he can charge the club far more interest than he is paying to buy the debt, however that works….Just can’t win !

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  35. I don’t feel much dismay at moment about Utd pen anyway. I like the clarity of it. Like how, I expect, it stung the deniers that anything is wrong with our lot.

    I imagine it was a no smile job as they tried to dismiss the cries of corrupt on this occasion. It can’t be explained how anyone watching that could let the penalty stand when it was in their power to simply and easily correct such an obvious and glaring injustice. The audio? What can they possibly have said to each other????

    Even liked the feeling that they could be real close to forcing me to step way, way back from game.

    If it aint corruption it produces something which looks damn near identical to it.

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  36. Watching MOTD this eve, they got in touch with the PRem League match centre on 3 decisions over the dodgy Utd pen, an incident in the Everton Soton game which escapes me as the game bored me , and a push on Kane, the match centre confirmed the refs and VAR got all three wrong
    Don’t the PGMOL claim they get 98% of decisions correct? Of course they provide no details as to how they come to this number. Well, they have got a few wrong this week.
    The downside, Mike Oliver was in VAR when he got the Kane decision wrong, if he is ref in the NLD, just watch him make amends.
    How much longer can Manc Riley remain in post? His officials are an embarrassment, especially those in VAR who still get it wrong with all the slo mo camera angles

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  37. rich there is no good reason why the audio between Ref and VAR is not broadcast, like it is in Rugby, what have they to hide, are they afraid they will be shown to not know the rules, will they be shown to be bias, will they be shown to be match fixing, if all is legit with them, then they have no reason what so ever to not allow the audio.

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  38. it seems St Etienne and Arsenal could not reach an agreement for William Saliba to play in the French Cup final

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  39. Ed, I reckon it most likely will happen at some point in football where audio can be heard, as with other sports. Not a sure thing but if VAR’s here to stay it should happen, probably originating somewhere like Holland, Germany, America or Australia.

    Pgmol would be the very last adopters though I expect. We are forced to argue and wonder now without having a clue of where the biggest blame lies for a terrible decision, i.e when there’s VAR we almost always think of the VAR as responsible when something is missed, but it could so easily be ref being adamant he doesn’t need to or even won’t look.

    The truth of the incidents is contained within their conversation. If pgmol were normal I see no reason why they wouldn’t let a club listen to the recording over a controversial incident to understand it better, but bet there’s no way they’d allow that. I think they’d be no better than police with body cams- oops- if anyone tried forcing them to release recordings of the bad ‘uns.

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  40. Mikel Arteta was back in the company of the media on Friday morning as he held his pre-north London derby press conference.

    Our head coach was quizzed on a range of topics, covering everything from Tottenham Hotspur and Jose Mourinho to the VAR decision system.

    Read on for a full transcript:

    on how we have used the extra days this week…
    We had a training session straight after the game and then a day off. We hadn’t had a day off or a long time now and now we have two days to prepare the game. Hopefully the players are ready and focussed, facing a big, big game.

    on what he will tell his younger players about the occasion…
    They know, and they know how the media reacts, what the fans are expecting. It’s going to be a shame because it’s such a beautiful stadium as well the one they have built. Not to have the fans there is not going to be the shame so it’s going to be a strange derby.

    on how this derby compares to others…
    They are all different, it depends a lot whether you win or lose, that’s what makes it special. Obviously we have had some really nice ones playing them at the Emirates and beating them so I have some really good memories on that. It’s such a special occasion. Rivalry in football, when you take it in a positive way, and that brings energy, that brings passion, that brings a city together. It’s such a beautiful thing. We are privileged to have big teams in the city and it’s a shame we don’t have the fans to enjoy it with us.

    on Michael Oliver being appointed the referee…
    I never have any concern about the decision of the referee. Nowadays, everything’s so professional, dedicated and they’re under so much pressure and criticism. I know they try their best with the decisions that they have to make. They’re getting more and more complicated because of the speed of the game and how quickly they have to react, and the pressure they have with the new VAR system as well. We’re here to support them, we need them, they’re a big part of that. Now we complain that we don’t have the fans and we realise how important they are, maybe one day we won’t have referees and we’re going to say, ‘Wow, they were crucial for this game to work’. So we have to support them.

    on whether there’s ever a good time to face a Jose Mourinho side…
    I think a derby has a completely different context to what is happening with the current form and anything like that. I have huge respect for Jose, for what he’s trying to do there, and we know to go there and get a win we’re going to have to do everything really, really well. I’m expecting a really tough game.

    on this being a must-win game to finish fifth…
    We said since the virus that we had to win every single game. Unfortunately we haven’t been able to do that but we’re in a good run and we’ll try to go there to get the three points again.

    on his team news ahead of the game…
    I’m going to see the boys soon, but hopefully everybody is fine.

    on what he made of Harry Kane and Bruno Fernandes’ VAR decisions…
    Some days I’ve made more comments than I’ve wanted to straight after a game, so I’m not prepared to comment on any decisions.

    on what can be done about ‘incorrect’ VAR decisions…
    Well as I said before, some of them are very complicated. We don’t know how they are judging the situation but I’m sure they have the right intentions. At the end of the season, I think that is something that has to go into debate. We need to agree on some principles that we’re going to apply, so at least every decision has the same raised level of determination, basically.

    on what he’s made of Mourinho’s Tottenham this season…
    They have had some ups and downs but overall you can clearly see what he wants to bring to the club. He manages the energy, the momentum and establishes a really strong culture in every football club. As well, he makes sure that he wins and he’s won in every single club that he’s been at. Obviously the situation and the timing when he arrived is different than starting a new project right from the summer, but I’m sure he will be successful because he always finds the right way to do it. It will take him a bit of time but I’m sure he will do it.

    on whether Jose Mourinho is still a world-class manager…
    Absolutely.

    on how he plans to beat Tottenham tactically on Sunday…
    Unfortunately I cannot tell you that!

    on what he thinks Jose Mourinho is trying to do at Tottenham…
    Well, he has a very clear way of playing and a very clear way of how he manages games. I think clean sheets are a big thing that he want to do, but don’t forget his teams always score a lot of goals and they are really successful and he’s been able to win titles because of that. I think in a long period they’ve had a lot of injuries so he hasn’t had the chance to be consistent with his team and that’s a big disadvantage that they have. I know that he’s done it and I know people that have worked with him and he always find a way to be successful and I’m sure he’ll do it again.

    on whether Sunday will be a high scoring game…
    You never know in a derby because when the passion and the emotions kick in, a lot of things can happen and from a very controlled game it can go to a completely different game and that’s somewhere we need to know how to manage. I’ve been involved in a few of them so there’s always some surprises.

    on whether Mesut Ozil or Matteo Guendouzi could be involved…
    No, no updates sorry.

    on mind games from other managers…
    To be fair I don’t see it a lot, but I think the success that Jose has had is not from the press conference, it’s the way that his teams perform on the pitch and the amount of football games that he has been able to win. [The press conference] is an extra that obviously you need to know how to deal with but the main thing is what you do on the pitch.

    on if he has spoken to Pep Guardiola ahead of this weekend…
    No.

    on Kane…
    He was quite successful against us as well and at that time he was already established as one of the best strikers in the league, his numbers were really really good. I’m not surprised at the level he has maintained over the years and how consistent he has been, which is the most difficult thing in football.

    on being surprised at Kane and Tottenham not winning a trophy…
    Yes, but they have been really close and they have come so far as a club and as a team and they have been competing with top teams in Champions League finals, which is a huge thing to do.

    on it being a good move to appoint Mourinho…
    Absolutely, that’s probably one of the reasons that they have brought Jose in, because of his experience in dealing with those situations and having that extra edge to become a winning team.

    Copyright 2020 The Arsenal Football Club plc. Permission to use quotations from this article is granted subject to appropriate credit being given to http://www.arsenal.com as the source.

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  41. I see Arsenal Women have signed five or six players in recent weeks

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  42. Can’t link it but very interesting clip of Cesc talking to Lineker and Jenas. Think Motd tweeted it.
    Jovial in nature, centres around pizza gate. He sets tale though by talking about Rooney diving and ref allowing them to kick us all day, also mentions Neville’s targeting of Reyes.
    I’m not sure I’ve ever heard one of our players discuss it like that before. Pretty fascinating. Think the setting key- not actually sitting together, no Utd/Pool/Northern presence and maybe most importantly Cesc been cleansed of a lot of Arsenal-ness, and it was not main point of the story.

    Feels fitting somehow for it to be mentioned there, and only there, and for Lineker and Jenas to be interested in the pizza but not the ref working for a team to help them in a game, and not any old ref, but the ten year boss of refs!

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  43. Ed, think it’s 3 Australians, 2 Swiss, or maybe I’m counting one of the earlier Australian’s?

    Either way now seems clearer why players departed earlier on. The Carter one was damn sad, and didn’t feel like our usual behaviour to release one of our own and then some when still recovering form a bad series of injuries. Sorry to see Quinn go,too.

    Don’t know women’s game well enough to know the new players but seem to have good pedigree.

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  44. Mikel Arteta on whether Mustafi should be given a contract extension at Arsenal: “I’m really happy with him. That’s something that the club has to address but he knows my opinion on that.”

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  45. Arsenal’s total of 14 draws is the club’s highest ever during a 38-game season in the top flight.

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  46. Referee: Michael Oliver.
    Assistants: Simon Bennett, Daniel Cook.
    Fourth official: Graham Scott.
    Replacement official: Darren Blunden.
    VAR: Paul Tierney.
    Assistant VAR: Harry Lennard.

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  47. Jose Mourinho has never lost a home game against Arsenal in his career (Won 5, Drew 4)

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