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Mid Table Arsenal- Permanently?

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Last night was horrible. We hoped for better and it didn’t happen. What do we hope for now? Where do we go from here? Just how deep a hole are we in and who is to blame?

More and more fans are beginning to understand the depth of the hole we are in. The idea that a new coach, and I mean ANY new coach, can bring about a quick fix is frankly ridiculous. Perhaps a slight improvement immediately, and a gradual improvement over the rest of the season is possible, but that’s it and even that is a long shot.

So why do I think we are destined to years of mediocrity? I don’t mean the 3 Fa cups in 4 years type of mediocrity that people thought was mediocrity, I mean proper midtable stuff, no cups and likely no decent cup runs even.

The ownership model of self sustaining means there will be no massive injection of fund to buy our way back into a seat at the top table. We know this. So that’s out! Personally I think that is how every club should run in principal, but if Stan wants the club to have a seat, he would have to put his hand into his back pocket. But let me reiterate, that isn’t going to happen.

In order to have a long term successful plan we need someone with a good plan to be in charge, have a vision and the conviction to see it through,and Stan has to stick by him. The problem is finding that man, the likes of Arsene Wenger doesn’t grow on trees, he was a once in a several lifetimes manager and his like will never be seen again, not least because other clubs would have first dibs.

At present the man with the vision is Don Raul, and it’s not 20/20 vision he has, it’s Mister Magoo vision, he can’t see past his contacts book. I can’t think of a single thing he has done that hasn’t knocked us back at least one step. Seriously, he couldn’t even see that the football brand had to be maintained, simply the most basic and important ethos of the club. Can you imagine any new fan choosing Arsenal now? Other clubs will be building their fan bases and we will be hemorrhaging ours. Tv companies will stop picking Arsenal games, revenue will fall, fans will stop watching and attending if the style of football doesn’t meet their requirements. Now, I can hear people screaming “plastic fans“, but that is the reality of the modern game. Especially if that’s what you started following the club to see , or that is your priority when choosing to support a club. The old “Arsenal ’till I die” fans might not like it, but that is how it works for a club that wants to be a global force.

A rebuild will require patience, Loooooooooooooooooooool, 6 days into Freddie’s term and “patience” has already run out in many quarters. Because of the “we deserve” element in the fanbase, coaches and players will not be given the support necessary to develop and build.

So what can we do about it? The answer is very little, all we can do is be supportive of the coach and players if they are trying to play the right way and doing all they can , I believe Freddie and the majority of our players are. It’s going to be a long hard road back, we must not make the journey more difficult for those tasked  with carrying us, while prompting  those in charge to make the changes that will give the players a fighting chance.

 

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  1. We have to keep our feet on the ground. We have to start supporting like Leeds fans do, unconditional love.
    The players need to stop looking at social media. Every person who helped made this club great in the last 30 + years should be called back to save its arse that the Kranks, Raul and chums and Dick Emery have fkd up. i don’t care if people say x and y players Arent good enough coaches, if they can speak then they are good enough. There was AFC before Weng, he was the best, but it was built on the shoulders of other teams.
    Forget about the tiki Taki Wengy footy, forget about champions league and top 4. Forget about what we modern attacking day football and all that rhetoric about becoming Bayern and Barca. Forget it, ist unrealistic. It might hurt you that we are not sitting on the top of the chimney, but fkin Brighton just beat us, and that hasnt happen for over thirty years? And some want modern football, we cant even beat shitehawk clubs.
    Forget about whose the best writer or what the pundits say, its pull the wagons together and stop pulling the club apart. Get Raul out, stop Josh giving stupid smiley fun talks, they should do what they are good at grabbing cash and let those who can play football well do that.
    We are one wounded beast that is obsessed with hurting itself. There can be no patience as we don’t live in a period of history that, so we have to adapt. Someone has that understands football needs to fkn sort out the midfield and defence, Im not saying playing like bloody Stoke, but Arsenal was built on that. You modern day football of the highest order, then get Klopp or Pep and a load of cash, or stop the rot and start playing to the strengths that are there instead of going on about the Wenger years or stylistic football. Fk me we cant even play defensive football. Even Freddie was playing guys in places they arent suited to.
    Forget about global force its not possible so stop reaching for the sky when we live on the earth.
    If the squad is third best in the league then we have to work double or trebly hard to get them into that place, because they are playing like third from bottom.
    Get out any parasites from the club. Anyone who doesnt want ot play then bugger off and gets some kids in who do. Id rather be mediocre with player who want to be here than players who cant be bovverd.
    Here we are, and there we want to be, but we are damaged so it means not going where we want but pulling together and getting on a run. The fans need to get behind the team instead of being fkn celebrities on social media. Xhaka back as captain or that mad Sok. Not Auba he’s to removed and should concrete on getting the golden boot before he leaves for Real.
    The more staff we can have in to pass on the golden nuggets from the past the better. Dont like it? Well look where we are, slipping down the chimney and looking like twerps because of a bloke that didnt have a clue as a manager /coach.
    Forget about the Spuds and Liverpool and City and whoever, if we don’t then Leeds will beat us and its gong to really affect us.
    This isnt about being a fair weather fan, this isnt about cup runs or what we’ve done or getting Wenger back( hes not coming).
    Its about ground zero before it comings minus ground and championship football. We need to start again protect ourselves,
    Positively Arsenal is as negative as anywhere else. But it can still be a leader, it can start a new trend and new momentum of supporting with vigour and unconditional love and support that other teams get. Weve become a bloated spoiltshit thats run by folk who dont know how to paly football, and on my scale Edu isnt even the best we ever had.
    Do we get up or drag the club down and only sing when we are winning? How many fans are parasites who give back not much except by a fkin shirt then complaining?
    Sorry but Arsenal was here before Wenger, and he knew theres a lot to learn from that.
    Our fanbase are like roman emperors that want to swim in milk and have grapes peeled for them by the wonderful football of Arsenal so they can say to other fans they are twats. My word, we are the ones that have to give back. Wengers vision failed because the transition bullshit was run by people who dont know. The elephant stood in the room when PSG booted him out and we couldnt see it.
    Now the jokes on us. We are an average EL team with good players that cant remember how to play football.

    I suppose you wont agree, who need clarion call or an idea of a community when we can just hate and moan.
    Well I dont wantto be some spoilt brat club that trades on the past. Even basic football could have grabbed us a win last night. But no we have to try and emulate the past, well Freddie cant do that, he has to be his own man. Be patient? Thats not modern football.
    The spirts all wrong at Arsenal, and much f it was brought in by fans who started supporting in the Wenger time and have caused major problems in the club since. But we need to forget about that.
    Unity, small steps, strength,playing simple but effective football, playing players to their strengths, solid line ups, no Raul or Josh in their sportwear, and no celebrity fans twatter twitter world, the fans behind the crowd, and smaller dreams.

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  2. Mid table was be a good result at present , if you offered me that for end of season position I would take it.
    We have to play
    Chelsea h and a
    Man city h and a
    Liverpool h
    Spurs a
    Leicester h
    Man utd h
    Everton a
    West ham a

    That might be 1 win only out of 10
    We are going down

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  3. If the team performance is to be re-captured, then Freddie (or alternatively Mikel) needs to identify the basic faults and work on their eradication.

    Following the game last night, allow me to suggest work which requires immediate attention.

    1) The speed of passing, perhaps restricting all passes outside the attacking third to 2 touches only.

    2) Abandoning the plan of aimlessly passing along the back line before launching long hopeful forward passes which always seem to give the ball to opponents (Luiz please note). There must be space to play in behind defenders.

    3) Always take the ball on the half turn and look to play a constructive pass forward quickly, therefore eliminating opposing players.

    Not much to work on really; and a firm basis for improvement.

    Finally……………..DO NOT select the kids………..totally counter productive.

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  4. “all we can do is be supportive of the coach and players if they are trying to play the right way and doing all they can” – Its a long and hard road back to the so called mediocrity that Wenger was blamed for.

    Freddie has to get the balance right for me. i am not a fan of playing auba \ lacca on the wing. I prefer to go with one as if we have a forward on the wing, it seems to keep our midfield unbalanced. there were times in the 1st half Auba was letting his man run beyond him, jogging back etc. not saying he is the reason we lost but i just dont like to see how uncomfortable he looks there. was slightly better when Pepe came on. Also think we need experience right now , let the Kids come on as subs. Apart from that not impressed at all with Raul, Vinnie, Edu and Josh. 18 months to build on what came before and they have made it much much worse.

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  5. George is a bit more pessimistic than I am when compared to my article at Uncensored. But in general he has hit the nail on the head. Some of you will say i am biased since we both do a podcast together but it is noteworthy that our analysis of the state of Arsenal was done independently yet some of our conclusions are the same.

    Am sure some of you have had a similar experience to mine; when under the constant barrage of anti-Wenger propaganda we were tempted to second guess our greatest manager. We took for granted the way his teams zipped the ball across the turf at the Emirates, pinpoint one-touch passing from back to front, bamboozling the opposition until the team could get a point blank shot. It looked so easy.

    We secretly believed Diaby was a sicknote and not worth the patience, ditto Jack, ditto Santi. Aaron Ramsey was no great loss (I read that on Twitter from a former blogger here). Then you look at the state of Arsenal last night; lofting long balls over midfield to Laca and Auba and poor oldJoe Willock unable to pass between the lines.

    Yet many of us hardly protest when Don Raul allows our best midfielders to exit the club, committing the cardinal crime of letting go Ramsey on a free. Getting rid of all the best veterans such as Monreal and Koscielny, who are technically way better than their replacements, and whose experience we could have used last night. He is ready to buy and sell again and the whole downward spiral will continue as long as he is in charge of our football club. That much i am absolutely sure.

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  6. Having never worked in professional sport or in the practice of sport psychology, I have no idea what the answers are to our team’s ailments. What I do know from research is that piling on the players will make their collective condition worse.

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  7. 6 comments, I think we have reached the end of our road.

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  8. I would add something George, but Im always in the spam box

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  9. george I think most of us are dumbfounded by it all, we really don’t know what to say about it, or what to make of it. The team just seem totally shot of confidence, and there seemed to be a little bit of arguing going on between players both during and after the game, our new captain seemed to have a go at Willock a couple of times, as did Lacazette, for me that is not the way our captain or any senior player should be towards a young player. Ozil had a go at Lacca at full time.

    On the performance, as Freddie said, you are going no where if you fail to play for an entire half of a game, and although better in the second half, we were still second best for a lot of it. Once again our opponents easily out shot us. Only two seasons ago we had our best ever home record but now anyone can come to our place and turns us over, but I’m assured by the WOB that its all Arsene’s fault.

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  10. At the risk of looking like an idiot – this isn’t a bellicose “I’m just asking questions” kind of post, but there was a type of player Arsenal used to be known for (even derided for) and which we just stopped recruiting.

    I’m talking a small, nimble attacking midfielder who can play on the wing or through the middle, or at 8, or even eventually at 6. What happened to that kind of player? We had a bunch of them, and I saw several playing for City the other night. Now, I’m not deluded enough to think we should be competing with City for players, but there’s an archetype that has all but disappeared from our ranks – Arshavin, Nasri, Rosicky, Hleb, Cazorla, Arteta (to a point)…

    Is it me or did our supply dry up several years ago? Aren’t these players absolutely integral to intricate passing football?

    What’s curious is that their ranks thinned around the time we started buying ready-made big stars, like Alexis. You can point to Ramsey, who’s a slightly different sort of player, but there was nobody coming up behind him. Iwobi? Possibly, but it’s a push. There used to be an absolute surfeit, at a time when we were less willing to spend big, and now we have one guy on loan who may not even be up to the job.

    Are they harder to recruit now or what?

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  11. Arsenal Academy
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  12. I’m a little taken aback by the doom and gloom. Last night’s performance was so much better than anything I’ve seen since coming back to watching football. Many positives can be taken from the attitude the team showed.
    There is no need to describe how depressed the result makes you – if you’re a supporter that’s obvious, a given. But what we wanted to see was renewed spirit, and a sensible team selection. We saw that last night.
    Hector is getting back to his piratical best, Kolasinac is still a great player and showed it, Xhaka was superb last night and once he and Torreira get their partnership ticking over again we will become very hard to break down.
    The young man Pepe looked eager to impress and for once Arsenal passed with confidence and began to play in a manner approaching that to which supporters have become accostomed.
    I was hugely cheered by the display last night. Sorry if the result is the only thing that matters to you but turning an ocean liner or container ship takes time. If it’s been steering towards the rocks, seemingly out of control, we could be happy when it begins to turn away, rather than bemoan the fact that we’re still headed in the wrong direction.
    Apologies if I’m not reading the room well, I’ve been away and my attitude may be unwelcome here nowadays.

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  13. No, it’s fine Steww (not that it’s for me to say, as an occasional poster). There was a lot to like, and two matches isn’t enough of a sample to be gloomy, especially considering the task at hand.

    For my part, I’m like one of those tedious George Graham fluffers you find on twitter, only I’m nostalgic for Arsenal of 2010.

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  14. George, a pal said to say youve got mail.

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    An impressive half gives us a commanding lead at the break
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  19. “if Stan wants the club to have a seat, he would have to put his hand into his back pocket”.

    But he did, didn’t we just win the last transfer window? The problem is that he gave the money to the wrong guys and a huge chunk of it probably ended up in the pockets of Raul’s dodgy agent pals.

    I totally understand why AW never bought in more than 3 new players at a time as he recognised the need to build on what was already there and slowly integrate the new players into an existing structure. The problem we have now is that there has been no structure or identity and the players have been looking like 11 strangers rather than a team. Last night’s game showed some promising signs in patches. We were never going to suddenly throw off an 18 month malaise and find a winning formula overnight. Freddie needs more time, but unfortunately I don’t see him getting it in the current climate.

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  20. Stew Im sure you dont want to get into it, but you brought up some interesting points.
    I think that many people think that the container ship is not only on the rocks but sinking.But the glass is always half full and half empty?
    As for results, ist a tough one as the basis of the sport is to win, and to grab those points. Fluid football thats entertaining has become a craving and a sign of intelligence and superiority. My point is, if we love great football why support a side, and not just float around looking at all games, rather like a neutral who loves football skill? Which brings up another question. Why support a team at all? Unless people have started since Freddie came in, the club doesn’t resemble anything anyone started supporting originally.
    I think for most here( sorry to speak for them, I have no right really) they also want fluid great football,its been a real problem ( perhaps youve been reading in?). Perhaps they feel just less uplifted by last night than you and feel a bit less tolerant that all this has happened.The Wenger years has left great expectations.
    Im sure youre attitude is very welcome, most people have been very welcoming to you from what Ive read( Im a reader not a writer, I dont like writing at all) since you started posting again. But people are jaded and bored and upset by bad football,bad managment at all levels, and struggle to perhaps find the same place as you. Coudl be wrong.

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  21. testing testing

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  22. still testing

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  23. more testing

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    Steve Bould’s side secures three points at Meadow Park
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  26. I think it’s only natural to miss the good football that became synonymous with Arsenal during AW’s time. I certainly miss that football, but accept that we will not see ‘Wengerball’ again now that the great man has been forced out. The problem is we are floundering, we don’t have the defensive players to play one-nil to the Arsenal, but so far we haven’t been able to turn our attacking potential into a strength either. As poor as the football has been under Emery, I still turned up for the home games even though it often felt like punishment, so I’ll certainly be there for Freddie and the boys as they try to do better.

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  27. Stan has certainly allowed money to be put in, but his strength, and weakness, he lets others run the club.It worked with Wenger. It does not work with Raul, Vinai and co, Stan should not assume he will find another Wenger.
    Stan is just an owner, but he needs to be careful who he puts in charge.
    There was a time when I had no interest at all who ran the club beyond the manager, didn’t even want to know, that sadly has changed. There are clear issues.
    On top of it all, players have gone from wengers management style, clearly more,tactics than the media would have you,believe, but express yourself, enjoy, to the soulless over tactical, over tinkering , over thought emeryball, and now a new manager, I think they have tried to embrace all but it has messed with some heads, for all the talent in the team, this is the most worried I have been since I started following them in 1978.
    I want Freddie in post, but whoever it is, this team need a strong manager and coaching philosophy in place very quickly, or the possible consequences are not to be contemplated.
    Those running the club need to get the next move right, they no longer have Wenger to fall back on, let’s see what they are really about .
    If you sack a legacy manager, or any other manager, does sometimes help to have a plan. I hope they have one. Making it up as you go along does not become this great club.

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  28. Birdkamp totally agree we need a baller like Cazorla or Rosicky to bring thr ball forward as putting all the pressure on Ozil to create will not work for 90 mins.Xaka and Torreira are for me are more of a DMs than an AM who can bring the ball forward quickly.
    Bad thing we shipped out Ramsey and Iwobi and didn’t even kept Mikkhi as a #10 in case Ozil has to be rested/injured.
    It will take sometime now for the players to work as a team and that too after some addition in the TW. Hope Freddie knows better than us which surely he must be knowing what is the winning formula.

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  29. We are well aware of the regression this team had under Emery, ergo we need to allow Freddie the room to get things right – trial and error if you will. He is not building on what Emery left behind but starting from scratch. Like Stew I was encouraged by our second half performance the other night and we can only get stronger from thereon.

    Under Emery Guendouzi’s education took preference and Pépé became marginalized.

    Freddie knows its not going to be an easy task. As fans we need to recognise that too and just be a bit more patient.

    A gripe I have with many pundits is that their analysis hardly focus on games but rather how things used to done in the past and their dreams of how it should be done in present. Yet here we are doing the same.

    Let’s live in the moment, take the good with the bitter and look at what we can improve on until the summer comes when we can recruit. Otherwise we risk becoming another le groan.

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  30. testing for X.Trapnal

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  31. What Steww said!
    If we could see the weaknesses in winning under emery we should also be able to see the positives in losing now. Freddie has us going in the right direction. It is coming together, faster than expected in my view.

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  32. Losing at home to Brighton and getting out played in the process, is not the improvement I was hoping for.

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  33. Problem is, even if we can see the positives in losing, why is that a sign we might win? What if we dont develop beyond that?
    Object of the game is to win?
    If we dont want to win then what are we, neutral? Generous? Tepid in our support? In control of our emotions maybe?
    If we only want to see exciting skilful football then why watch specifically Arsenal, and not a load of other teams? Its been horrible football for ages.
    Why does Freddie need a long time? Hes not a stranger to the team, hes been with the club a long while coaching, and hes been assistant the 1st team since August? He still played some of the lads in positions where they are uncomfortable.
    How can Freddie do it in a short time?
    What if Freddie is given the time and we stay tenth but play 40 mins of good football, but are still not able to do well? Will Lacca and Auba stay? The pressure will be even more massive if they clear off. The move to the new stadium means global brand as PG said, but are we? Have we become that? We sort of flirted with it, and pulled off some nice and exciting FAC victories, but in a time when the FAC doesn’t mean s much as being a world force.
    Are we relying too much on a manager? Wenger was quite hands off, a tinkerer, not a revolutionary shouting in the streets. His understanding was subtle. Maybe the only fault I can find was his being seduced by the Barca style as a way of avoiding being really strong in defence. Of course that was after the CL final. But we saw some of the finest football Ive seen in the PL. But we’ve been vulnerable at the back, at its one reason we couldnt really challenge for a league title.
    What are the fans going to do if Wengerball doesnt come back? What if Freddie ball is also not Wenger ball? What if you dont get your Arsenal back?
    What if Freddie fails? West Ham aint gonna lie down for us, like the other clubs outside of the top six, they know we are for the taking.
    What if Freddie cant turn it around, and what if some new guy cant?
    Brighton was a massive failure despite having moments, but am i allowed to ask why our players arent already thinking for themselves? I mean this wasnt a game against Liverpool or Man City, we lost to Brighton, how many on here can remember that happening?
    Why are we so sensitive? Those are top players out there even the ones that are messing things up like Guen, that s better team than Norwich or Brighton. It slike something goes missing once they are out there? Why are they like sheep?
    One thing that people misunderstand is the manager can set you up, but once youre out there its a different world, everything changing all the time. Wenger knew this thats why he watched an d t weaked and imposed much less. Emerys major failing, a side of placing everyone where they shouldn’t be, setting up a kack defence, and insane midfield, was seeing every side as above him. Wenger didn’t do that. he new everyone was beat able. This is what Klopp and Pep instil in their sides.
    Look all im saying is people say the older fans are out of touch (that’s bs)and its modern football, well one aspect of the game is turning things around quick, Wenger era fans cant have it both ways?

    Is there to much pressure on Freddie to play Wenger ball and give us what we want, positive football etc?
    If we want to be a global force, then how can that work in the corrupt climate with a self sustaining system? I agree with PG, that how I want it, but Abramovitch took the game into an sugar daddy world?

    Im sure Stews right, but what if hes wrong.

    What do we want from football? Also from blogs? Emery is now the biggest scapegoat I ever seen, much worse than Rioch. Seems a bit too convenient to me, you?

    Any change I think will come out of left field and be unexpected, football even the modern game , is crammed with cliches

    I dunno.

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  34. plus, if people are impatient, then is it because theyve had to watch everything deteriorate since last Xmas? Its not like it was just this last few months.The team sort of rebelled against Emery, slowly but surely? And now we shuffle around i stalemate or worse.
    Till Fredo lifts their spirts it could well be hit or miss? I dont know.

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  35. just a thought on the notion that Stan or KSE as owners of Arsenal should be far more hands on, and should be putting KSE money into Arsenal, why, if the Arsenal was owned by exactly the same people as owned the shares 20 years ago, with Fiszman, Dein, Lady Nina, Hillwoods, Carrs, the main shareholders and lots of little shareholders, not a single person would be asking for any of them to put their own money, or money from their others companies into Arsenal, so why do people demand the club be run differently now,
    And on that note, the board do not meet any less than it did 20 years ago, or ten years ago, or 5 years ago. They don’t make decisions on anything different than they did back then, or ever did.
    The change in the club is that instead of the Team Managers role being much wider a CEO and/or Director of Football now perform a lot of the things the Manager used to do. Managers are now Head Coaches. This was the way of things in many leagues across Europe for decades now, but is a new thing in England.

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  36. Likewise George. It’s just that Emery all but burned this thing down to the ground. Just about every aspect of the team needs fixing. We did look very good for most of the 2nd half the other night. I like what I am seeing in an extremely short period of time.

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  37. Arsenal have published their accounts for the year ending May 31 2019. They have gone from a pre-tax profit of £97.4m to a pre-tax loss of £23.5m.

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  38. James Benge@jamesbenge

    The club made over £100m less in player sales, going from £122m to £16m. NB these figures do not include the summer transfer window. Also a fall of over £30m in matchday revenue to £69m.

    Revenue down from £388.6m to £367.5m, the club appear to attribute that to delay in renewing season tickets after Europa League Final.

    Notable that commercial earnings increased by just £4m in a year where they added a new kit partner (Visit Rwanda).

    Arsenal retain a cash balance of £107m.

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  39. Thats a good point Ed. But was the change Ambramovitch and the money he pumped into Chelsea meant other clubs meant than fans demanded owners to do that as a way of competing?

    Back to Emery, is it all burned to the ground? Has it all really disappeared? Again if we look we played well against Valencia in the semi, so its all there, just sleeping?
    In years to come, we will see Emery wasnt all bad, he did chalk up a final, but much of it was. Except Frankfurt the finals days werent even losses. As much blame needs to be put on the people who employed him. But we do already.

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  40. Dave for me saying “Emery burned things to the ground” is that we all acknowledge the last few months last season saw major regression. Emery was too stubborn to adapt his approach and along with the regression and the delay from Raul them to eventually pull the trigger, the confidence, the joy got sucked out of these players till the very last drop.

    The Brighton game certainly was nothing crow about but there was so many nearly moments despite both Auba and Laca playing at half pace. The first goal we conceded was a bit naughty from our side, their second was all them, beautiful cross and an even better finish. They certainly had their nearly moments but our defense dealt with it as well as they could.

    Not the result we wanted but the difference between Freddie and Emery for me, is that Freddie will likely build on that whereas Emery would likely have changed everything upon again, except for playing Guendouzi.

    I dont say this to scapegoat Emery. He Amy have left us short of confidence but the team certainly is full of talent. Maybe all we need is giving a team a good Hammering for these players to remember how good they really are.

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  41. Maybe all we need is giving a team a good Hammering for these players to remember how good they really are.
    Amen to that mate!

    Dont get me wrong, Im al for Freddo doing the biz on this and right behind him.

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  42. so Mike Dean is the PGMOL game manager for our game on Monday away to West Ham, his 3rd time in charge in one of our games, Monday’s game will be our 16th EPL game of the season, Martin Atkinson has been in charge of 4 of those games, and Anthony Taylor twice been the man in the middle, meaning those 3 guys have been Refs for 9 of our 16 games, while we’ve had 7 refs in charge once each in the other 7 games.

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  43. Dave and Labo, yes maybe all the team needs is to give someone a good hammering, but its not often that a team in the sort of rotten form we are in currently, 10 games without a win, gives anyone a hammering, we have to start win a win of any king first, before we can start hoping we hammer someone.

    I’ve seen it claimed several times in recent days that Josh Kroenke said in his interview after Emery was sacked that the decision to sack him was discussed by him and Raul and co a couple of weeks before we eventually sacked him, if that is the case, then why the fuck wasn’t the search for a replacement started then, why were we not, like spurs with Poch/Jose, not ready to appoint a full time replacement as soon as the sacking happened. For me it shows that Emery was clearly Raul’s man, and he just did not want to get rid at all. So no process to identify any replacement was begun. It also shows that they really fecked up by not sacking him before the international break, and at least give Freddie the two weeks to work with the non internationals in the squad to get a start on changing things. Also would have given Raul and Co a full two weeks with no games to go after whoever their target is. It all stinks of a lack of ability or common sense among the three or is it four amigos that basically run the club.

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  44. seemingly Arsenal have the most yellows in the EPL this season, also we get a yellow for the least number of fouls. We get a yellow for roughly every 4.14 fouls committed, but in contrast Leicester City get a yellow for every 11.75 fouls and Liverpool for every 8.71

    as I said in an earlier post 3 refs will have been in charge of a combined 9 of our 16 games come Monday, and we will have had only 10 of the 18 EPL Refs take charge of our games. We play our 16th EPL game on Monday, there are 18 EPL Refs, so there is not a single reason why we should be in the position where 3 Refs have been in charge for 9 of our games, while 8 Refs have not been in charge of us at all yet.

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  45. last season much was made of Raul’s claims that Ramsey would be the last Arsenal player to leave for anything less than their true transfer value, and that any player not entering the final stages of their career, would not be allowed to let their contract run down past the 2 year mark. Yet Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Mesut Ozil, Sokratis, Shkodran Mustafi and Henrikh Mkhitaryan, all have contracts which are due to expire in 2021. And in 2022 the contracts expire of, Lacazette, Guendouzi, Chambers and Kolasinac, so Raul needs to get his finger out quick sharp, and get guys to sign new deals, or he has to sell half the squad by next summer, well maybe seeing as he is the agents friend that is exactly what he wants.

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  46. Eddie, I for one dont believe the Kroenkes are stupid men. Perhaps their one sin is giving those in charge of the club too much independence. Sooner rather than later they’ll wise up and see Raul as just another oil snake merchant and I think ultimately Raul will high tail before he gets pushed. He seems the José of club execs, nothing more than a parasite in search of a host.

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  47. depending on tomorrow’s results Arsenal could be just the 3pts off the relegation spots

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  48. Labo I don’t think the Kroenke’s are stupid either, and I agree that it certainly looks like their biggest error is expecting the exec’s they appoint to do a top level job. The club lost money last season, and that is not taking into account the expenditure during the summer, now we have to add in the pay off to Emery and his staff, and if results don’t improve massively, we are looking at a massive loss for this season. So the WOB will have got their wish for an owner that allows the club to make a loss, instead of putting making a profit above all else, no?

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  49. anyone remember former Arsenal youth player, Brian Sparrow, he played a couple of first team games for us in the early 80’s, and went on to Crystal Palace. He died yesterday aged 57.

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