Good morning Positive Arsenal fans,
A brief review of yesterday’s painful events this morning. I am sure that most of you have endured a downbeat Sunday evening and Monday morning, as the result of yesterday’s game lapped at the edges of our consciousness. I know my past sixteen hours have seen evidence of most of the symptomatic signs of upset; anhedonia, irritability, loss of confidence, diminished appetite, disrupted sleep pattern, difficulty in concentrating, and patchy memory. Yes fellow Positives the symptoms still come, despite my long experience of being stung by the malicious insect of footballing misfortune. The feeling, at this stage, I cannot intellectualise away. Later in the week I shall feel better, but not today.
I feel I should discuss the game as that is in my job specification at PA.
First half good, excellent early goal, may have got a second, matched Citeh all over the park, sound defensively, the home side lively but Pep clearly frustrated and on the edge of panic. I could see, as Mr Atkinson led the players off at HT, a three point haul from the game as entirely feasible.
Second half ? Well I am afraid to say we managed to drag up another grimly awful second half effort, very similar I thought to that we produced at Trafford Park a few weeks back. Now I admit the equaliser was a set back, a very soft goal whether it was onside or offside, and to some extent that may explain a jolt to the collective Arsenal system. But we have had setbacks and lost goals all season. A goal against us does not explain a fractured display over the next 45 minutes in which passes went astray, possession was surrendered tamely and the impression was given that the players who had been so competent in the first half had been replaced by a bunch of chaps who had never played together before. Did we ever really threaten Bravo’s goal in the second half ? ( Shakes head and puffs out cheeks) The outcome of our disjointed second half display was inevitable. I would not mind if we had been played off the park by a Citeh side at their best. The home side did not even adopt the “aggressive” Everton approach. I thought the opposition were distinctly ordinary.
It is neither my style nor the purpose of this blog to apportion blame or to allocate guilt. I think we can rely on others to do that. I suspect the players, manager and coaches travelling home last night felt as disappointed as we do. They know that they did not perform as they can do, and have done on so many important games this season. It must be for the players to look into themselves, and the manager and coaches to work hard to ensure our next game against the Baggies on Boxing Day is 95 minutes of sustained good football.
If there was a simple answer to avoiding our second half syndrome then it would have been erased long ago.
Anyway that is my five-penneth. You will get no meltdown or outrage on here. I suspect it will be quiet on here today but I will be in and out with bits and pieces. Please enjoy your week in the run up to Christmas and the day itself.
Positively Arsenal 
It’s A hard life
When you feel down
And nobody understands you
They leave you hanging around
You waste all your days
Miss all your nights
Sit round just dreaming
You can do nothing right
It’s a hard life
When your alone
Cramped in your lonely little room
Under dressed like a bone
You Walk in the streets
And people are so blind
Won’t give you there penny
They just don’t have the time
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My strategy following a defeat is avoid all contact with the outside world, except with PA.
The first City goal was offside, just, as was our second goal. Both difficult to call but take from that what you will.
My recollection of the second half was that we lost the midfield battle. The City midfield were also better at anticipating where the ball would land after a riquochet or challenge. Whether it was too late in the game or not when City were protecting their lead, I thought El Neny was excellent and made a difference by providing the type of urgency the City midfield showed.
Still, we played some excellent stuff and there is lots to play for….
Thanks Anicoll….
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Btw, Well played Andy.
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What went wrong? My view, which I expressed on these pages last week, is looking to blame the refs is the refuge of poor losers. I think both goals were off-sidish but we must look within ourselves for putting ourselves in a position where the refs ultimately decide our fate. I was alarmed by the absolute lack of control of the game at either end both defensively and offensively. George has nailed it. In games where we have no control of the ball Ozil is a liability. Until the hole left by Santi Cazorla is filled, Wenger will have to tweak the system. It will be a far more conservative and will make hard viewing but we have to muddle through until February until Santi returns.
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Indeed Shotts – it seemed too often yesterday Ozil and Sanchez were detached from the action, up the pitch and exerting no influence. For the Chilean striker that is arguably ok but Ozil could produce creative football from further back.
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Yup. Andy deserves a mountain of praise. It is not easy writing a blog after such a crushing psychological blow. I am just gathering my wits myself. I have the data to diagnose and nothing to cheer up my readers. To quote John Kennedy:
“Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.”
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You guys are always writing things which leave me feeling the right thing to do is say ‘yes, you’re right’ or, even better, nod assent and say nothing.
(You swines, I haven’t the willpower, and the urge to talk typically wins out)
That first paragraph is brilliant, by the way. ‘Anhedonia’, what a word, perfect here; likewise the description of the game lapping at the edges of consciousness. Yep.
I think a decent measure of how painful yesterday was came with a couple of uncharacteristic tweets from those within the club- photographer and a media operations guy- one shared a picture, ‘how I feel at the moment’, of Elneny crying out in epic frustration, the other went further and said ‘any title dreams are just that’.
It was a tough,disturbing 2nd half. I’m not sure how I feel either about Wenger going on the ref offensive afterwards, though I agree with him.
Challenge for us is to find the spirit and balls we’ll be asking the players to show in the coming games. The pressure is huge and confidence must have taken a sledgehammer blow; they have to overcome that; I want to dispel my gloom as fully and quickly as possible and look forward to the next game with some optimism.
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Gawd: I went through an emotional see-saw yesterday. My daughter’s ex, a Manchester City fanatic, was weeping and moaning all 1st half and then in the 2nd half he was chortling and taking the micky. I can see why so many fans who must deal with the their friends, co-workers and the English media take defeat so badly.
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Looking at the Ticket Transfer options for the West Brom game on Arse.com it may be Arsene and the lads will be on their own next Monday. Anyone who does fancy a ticket you can choose a seat in any block.
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well for someone who seriously considered packing in this football supporter thing after the Everton game due to the referee performance, I can totally get onside (both goals offside yesterday) with Wenger’s “enough is enough” and “its been happening all season” claims, but having come so close to walking away from it all it is odd that despite the officials wrong calls against us yesterday, I do not have ill will for atkinson and his crew, as to me those sort of decisions, especially the first goal, are excusable, they are they are within a margin of error. There was none of the one eyed Clattenburg type performance we seen v Everton,
No I agree with Shotta, the reasons for the defeat yesterday need to be sought from within our players and manager and coaching staff, 12 league games without a clean sheet, 3 league defeats and we led in all 3, four defeats in all competitions and more than one goal conceded in all 4 games, we have drawn 2 games we led in also, we have also conceded 2 goals in 2 games we won 3-2.
So it looks like last season’s problem of conceding a second goal once we let in one is still very much with us. Now is the reason for this a tactical one, or a psychological one, we totally dominated Liverpool for 44 minutes, took the lead, had a swagger, then let in a goal and went from 1-0 up to 1-4 behind in a short space of time. V Everton and Ctiy we played very well in the first half, deserved our lead, and then played awful in the second half, we also had an awful second half v man utd, same could be said v spurs.
in the last couple of games Arsenal went from playing great one touch passing in the tightest of defensive areas, when the score was 0-0 or 1-0 to us, to panic hoof ball as soon as our opponents scored, our midfield went from full of running, to barely able to jog at the same time, our attack went from slick interplay to headless shooting. Suggest to me that its clearly not a tactical problem, but a psychological one, and we may get that kiwi head shrink to do some overtime with out players.
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ah anicol, you fail to understand that “a whole generation of fans are being priced out of the game”, sorry that should be “a whole generation of fans are being priced out of CAT A games, you can keep your CAT C games and stuff them where the sun don’t shine”, but don’t ever question my love and loyalty to Arsenal.
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my only gripe about the offside decisions going against us yesterday is that like Wenger said, its been happening all season (we know its much longer than just this season). I was listening to bbc 606 on saturday, and the old line about the big clubs getting all the decisions was trotted out, fair enough as we’ve seen Man UTd and Chelsea get loads of favors from the officials, God we’ve seen spurs handed games over and over this season, oddly enough Leicester City were aided all last season, so that sort of throws a spanner in the works, but anyhow I digress, back to 606, what really made me chuckle was that when the presenter was listing the clubs that “always” get the decisions in their favor, right bang in his list was Arsenal. I kid you not, we “always” get favors from the refs. Jeez wasn’t Smith, Taylor and Shawcross all needlessly sent off, didn’t we get a couple of penalties early season, and I swear I once seen a goal against us ruled out for offside, and the refs are always giving our opponents a last warning for kicking our players, and only Tuesday night Mark Clattenburg played a full 4 minutes stoppage time, and there only having been 3 injury stoppages and 6 subs brought on, how many more acts of favoritism could one club want or get.
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The problem is with the lions and the zoo metaphor is when this sort of thing happens, as it did in our second game and in the 90th minute and with Clattenburg as the referee, the response is a little different from Arsene.
http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/goal_uk/74/50/ahmed-musa-hector-bellerin-premier-league-leicester-v-arsenal-200816_1652kp8yzbt1ev6txn2k1qe8.jpg?t=-1455722826
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I think he was a little angry and upset, as we all were, in the heat of the moment. In fact I hope he was just a little angry and upset.
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The old fart’s unhappy thoughts.
Let’s not beat about the bush, we lost to a better team on the day. And that better team weren’t aided by one of my bête noirs, Martin Atkinson. Yes there is evidence that City’s equalizer was fractionally offside but blame the lineman for that. Equally their winner, according to the offside law as it is now written, was OK. Petr’s view may have been harmed by our defenders but he had no interference from the City lad. Atkinson may have been too harsh when he booked Elneny but otherwise, he seemed to have a fair game and we can ask for no more.
After such a happy start with Theo’s clever run and Alexis’ wonderful pass giving us an early lead, it was mortifying to see how we tailed off in the second half.
Having sharp forwards is great but to have them denied accurate passes is a real problem. Time after time ours were picked off or beaten away by faster to the ball defenders or just launched into the ether.
Doubtless those so called supporters of ours (not) will be making hay and calling for heads to roll and spend the f’in money in January. It’s enough to make you puke. We have a hell of a good squad but it’s been a bad week. As though we’ve never had them before.
Keep the faith and enjoy the break.
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“I can say this here because I know it wont go any further.
Ozil is the problem.
His game is to float around the pitch seeking out pockets of space. This is sensational when we have a solid MF pair that control the game, but when we dont it leaves us with 3(or more) v 2 in MF. We get overrun, and end up just booting it anywhere because of the lack of options. There being none because Ozil is in some space somewhere that the rest can’t find him in. He is effectively MIA, not that he isn’t trying, he has just done his Ozil thing.
I feel when Ramsey played wide right last year, that fixed the problem, because he came into MF and made up the numbers.
My solution would be to play Xhaka, ElNeny and Ramsey in MF, Move Ozil wide left(our most problematic position anyway) but allow him to drift, with Theo and Alexis playing more as a 2.
It all sounds very easy, I know, I also know if a fuckwit like me can think this up, Arsene will have considered it and rejected it because of reasons beyond my comprehension.Still, something needs to change-somewhere?”
I sent this to Adrian Clarke last night, just spoken to him and he agrees. That of course doesn’t mean I’m right, but at least it makes me think its not just me being stupid.
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well anicol as for the image from the lcfc game, I would like to see the video of it too, cos if its the incident I’m thinking of, the lcfc player stepped across bellerin looking to buy the penalty, now that may have been an earlier one, so can’t argue without seeing a video clip of it.
And yes, we gladly take the wrong calls when we get them, Wenger even admitted that yesterday, his point I think, is much like mine, we are on the end of a lot of wrong calls, and I also agree with the view that some refs, as admitted by Howard Webb, ref in such a way as allows Arsenal to be bullied, and also then hand out yellows to Arsenal for their reactions. Too many refs have bought into the soundbite that the way to stop Arsenal is to kick them, and have allowed this to become a legit tactic, when being overly physical is a total no no under the rules of the game. We had Webb laugh about how Arsenal don’t give refs ear ache when the give wrong decisions against them, laughable that the top ref in England, and now a high ranking PGMOL employee can say such a thing, what the fuck was all the “Respect” campaign for then, Arsenal adhere to it, and Webb sees it as a weakness
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Both goals were offside. That doesn’t excuse our 2nd half performance. But it did alter the outcome of the game.
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Be my guest eddy
I would have been furious if that had been the other way round.
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I concur with that george, both offside, but that in no way excuses the abject performance of our players in the second half, their heads went, and was quickly followed by their legs. But without the offside goals the game is still 1-0 to the Arsenal, and maybe our players heads would not have gone.
Serious question here, when was the last time Arsenal won a game, let alone a big game, due to an officials error, offside goal, wrongly awarded penalty, handball leading to a goal, clear foul leading to a goal, wrongly awarded corner leading to a goal, anything like that. And don’t give me the kos goal v Burnley, as accidentally kicking the ball against your hand is not a foul, it is not a penalty when you do it in your own area, and it aint a foul when you do it in an opposing area.
also when was the last time an opponent was harshly sent off, has anyone else this season been sent off for committing the same sort of foul xhaka was sent off for.
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thanks anicol, I agree, it should have been a penalty.
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And Pires dived in 03, lets not forget that?
Talk about “exceptions that prove the rule”?
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now anicol I have looked at it again, and I’m not so sure, as musa done the lcfc trick of stepping across bellerin to force the contact, as the co-pundit was explaining just as the video clip ended, bellerin did not actually make an attempt to either play the ball or the man, and it was actually musa who instigated the contact. Its a trick lcfc done all last season, and spurs are doing this season, the attacker makes the contact and goes down
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and yes anicol i would be furious if one of our attacker was not given it, even with me saying it its not a penalty, but then again our players don’t dive, they are all saints. banned smiley thing.
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“Arsene Wenger refuses to comment on late penalty decision in Arsenal’s win over Southampton”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsene-wenger-refuses-comment-late-8808561
One man’s nailed on penalty is another man’s inexplicable refereeing error !
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Sorry eddy – if Musa was not a penalty with Hector clattering into the back of him ( no pun intended) then no referee would ever give a penalty
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when are Arsenal fans going to wake up to the antics of AFTV. Robbie provides tickets and transport to games for a small select band of his regulars, some pro and some anti wenger, they happily travel together, the socialize together, the sit or stand happily beside other for the duration of the game, and then once the game is over the move outside the stadium and perform the act of enemies for the cameras. Ranting and raving, looking like they very well might come to blows(oddly enough or is it) they never do, all this gathers a crowd, Robbie then gets a mark or two to give their views, they have been encouraged to say what they feel, having seen the histrionics of the regulars. Job done, the AFTV mob all trot off to the pub for a few pints and their journey home together, well I say home, it seems for some of them that might be a major stretch of the imagination.
robbie puts it all on line, and gets to work on each actors script for the next game, one of these days he will have to go for real shock value and have two of the cast actually come to blows, or maybe he will surprise us all and have the big reveal that ty is really claudes long lost son.
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Everyone is entitled to a defence, Eh Andy?
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anicol as for wenger not commentating on the southampton penalty, well he did later on after he seen the video of it, and agreed it was a clear penalty, as the photos in the mirror article you linked clearly shows, Fonte had a major handful of Giroud’s shirt, and if memory serves he also tripped Giroud afterwards too.
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I don’t intend to get into the referees issue today. It seemed to me yesterday the problem as with our second half performance, not the officials. Conceivably both Citeh goals could have been disallowed. I am not so troubled by the goals, or the alleged mistakes of the officials. I am disconcerted by the lack of penetrative, good football from us from 45 minutes onwards. I do not think anyone on here thinks yesterday was primarily about Atkinson.
Now outside here I appreciate the mob are howling for Ozil’s blood Sanchez to be sold, Wenger to be sacked tout de suite, Cech, Monreal blah blah blah ” sell the f***ing lot et cetera” and looking for a target for their immediate frustration.
That seems as unhelpful as loading the result all on the referee.
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you’ll love this article, also from the Mirror
http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/arsenal-course-thirty-penalties-season-8874189
arsenal had been awarded 4 penalties in our first 5 games, and the mirror article worked out that this would see us get 30 penalties this season. We had missed 2 of the 4 penalties, the 5th game was on Saturday 17th of September. We just needed 26 more penalties this season to hit that 30 mark.
take a guess how many we now need to hit that 30 mark, a full 12 games later. yeah thats right its still 26. The article done the trick, can’t have arsenal getting penalties.
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Bollocks Andy, why did you have to be so right?
Leave me a straw to clutch at !
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I read that at the time eddy and thought it was tempting fate – the other point was of the four we had been awarded we missed two including one against Liverpool which you mention. I have always wondered why we don’t have one of the full backs really train up as a penalty taker – Hector ideally
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anicol I agree with you that despite both city goals possibly being given offside, our issue yesterday was that once we conceded the first goal, the team fell apart, the performance went from being a very good one, to an awful one, from a calm collected one to a headless one, a performance with energy and purpose to one with hollow legs and scattered brains. The reason for this transformation and the putting it right has to be from within.
I only have thoughts about the wrong offside calls, not cos of how bad they were, as they both were close, but due to the cumulative effect of having seen so much official errors against arsenal this season. As I said earlier I nearly walked away after the Clattenburg show v Everton, but that thought never entered my head after yesterday and for me that says all that needs to be said of Atkinson’s performance.
No any real annoyance from the game is introspective, it really was our own lack of performance in the second half that cost us.
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For anyone who is as unable to concentrate on work today as I am have a look at the Daily Mail’s best penalty takers in history feature;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1227264/THE-LIST-Footballs-greatest-penalty-kings–Nos-10-1.html
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well Anicol as someone who took penalties in my time, I have always felt that a player has to really want to take the penalty, has to have 100% belief that they will score. I still recall the first penalty I took in adult football, I had joined a new team and we were awarded a penalty with only a couple of minutes left, and the designated penalty taker was handed the ball, I could see he was trembling and turning a rather pale shade, so I walked up to him, put my hands on the ball and said I’ll take it if you like, and he said thanks. Our manager was going mad on the sideline, demanding the other guy take it. I placed the ball and I had only one golden rule on taking penalties, as much power as I could generate, and it flew past the keeper. I took many more down through the years and never missed one, even scored one in a final, when the keeper tried to do a bruce grobblar weak at the knees thing, this really annoyed me and I for the only time ever actually told the keeper which side I was putting the ball past him, and when I did score it I admit I went a bit mental and all in his face and what not.
Ray Stewart of West Ham was the inspiration of my penalty taking style, low and hard, o fuss no panic. And as you say Anicol I too like my full back penalty taker, Lee Dixon, and Lauren were normally very reliable for us, Ashley Cole was very good in a shoot out too. I do find it odd though that our main strikers have not been keen penalty takers.
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ah anicol my Ray Stewart makes the list
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Come on, let’s change the topic.
Kwame Ampadu: I like how he talks and handles himself.
http://player.arsenal.com/matches/182760/video/8797/kwame-reaction
No highlights on there yet. You know what I believe went down, though. An Arsenal youth special. Opponents playing (bloody Balckburnonians) with huge aggression and a none too strict ref; particularly naughty challenge goes in, pushing and shoving ensues, and we lose a player. Out the window goes the normal reluctance to send off youth players, especially early, unless there is no choice at all.
Swansea did same to us at same stage last year but we survived that one. Bola’s was a deserved red in the semi but the ref showed leniency when there was an equally strong case to send off an opposition player.
Still, though, I can’t see how optimum development can occur for youngsters when there is this massive emphasis on fighting and defending. Maybe it will prepare some of them for life in English football, but it can’t be good for developing technique nor, ultimately, addressing the deficiencies of the national game.
Sour grapes no doubt, but still true I think. Anyway, Ampadu seems to have the right ideas about it all. Good learning experience for the players, and apparently they coped pretty well with adversity.
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Formidably sensible bloke
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Ozil has been off for the past few games and we simply don’t produce enough creatively from the middle. This, I believe, is why Everton and City were able to mount come backs and eventually beat us.
As far as the moaners-on-meltdown are concerned, we’ve lost against Liverpool, City and Everton. The same old, same old stuff would apply if we we’d lost to Southampton at home and Swansea away like we did last season. I expect these pricks will stop moaning once we get on a bit of a win streak and the top two start dropping points again, like teams do every season.
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adrian clarke’s breakdown – lacking of pressing, no one taking responsibility, poor decision making
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20161219/the-reasons-for-our-defeat-at-man-city
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rich it looked like ampadu was about to cry in that interview, he was clearly gutted
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http://player.arsenal.com/matches/182760/video/8798/under-18s-v-blackburn-h
Eurgh, highlights of youth cup exit. Quite an unbelievable decision from the ref. Our player is two-footed, then the old head to head, in which both players mirrored each other exactly.
How can a ref possibly feel that equaled justice? That is someone who has zero feel for what’s right. Phhh
Lesson for players is that you have to accept people will put dangerous tackles in and cannot respond angrily? Just trust the ref to sort it out for you, eh.
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Eduardo, that flashed through my mind but I thought it must be my imagination.
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Ramsey was the biggest miss yesterday, cos when Ramsey doesn’t play and we get fucked, the whole team takes the blame.
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Rich that is as poor a bit of refereeing as I’ve ever seen, Nelson is the victim of a two footed challenge, that should have earned the blackburn player a red, then as you say both go head to head, no difference in what they did to each other, yellows all day long, but the Arsenal man who should have got a yellow gets a red and the Blackburn players who should have got a red and yellow, gets only a yellow. Not the first time I’ve seen completely different application of the rules in an Arsenal youth game. I suppose it gets our young lads used to the bullshit refereeing decisions they will face if they ever make our first team.
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Just me or is there a dark chuckle in the fact that in an article hitting us for our bad away record against top six teams…Spurs are below us in the table. They just aren’t comfortable anywhere else.
The rationale for producing an article about the team with the 2nd worst record instead of the 1st is admittedly lost on me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4048950/Arsenal-recorded-just-three-away-wins-current-six-start-2012-13-season-joint-lowest-perennial-title-rivals.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
No getting around it, the record makes painful reading, but the fact the best team, by a large margin, have only recorded five more wins in that long time period does provide some much-needed context : away wins against top teams are difficult to achieve.
Table also seems to suggest that to maximise your chances in those games, defence is more important than attack
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isn’t is odd that last season’s top team, lcfc, are not included in any of these lists, as us beating them home and away last season changes the agenda.
Why is there not a list of results against teams in the top six, not some “traditional” top six, after all how far back to we go to decided who is a top six side, when did man city become a top six, or liverpool, or spurs.
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A brave and well written effort, Anicoll. Kudos to you, sir.
I have often thought that after a rather poor performance like Sunday’s (or a disturbingly dire showing, some may say) all blogs (perhaps with certain exceptions) would be wise to go into voluntary shut down for 48 hours.
My reason for saying this is that throughout blogdom the depressives and the footballing masochists rush to show their faces and to repeat all the pernicious, sour old, boring mantras, including the infantile classic, “I told you so” which just adds to the overall misery of even the most levelheaded supporters. F*ck that.
Secondly, disappointment is impossible to avoid, no matter how much one might wish to do so, and the rationalisations of the game and of its outcome, as overtly demonstrated by the coach with his probably accurate, but totally pointless ‘it’s the referee’s fault’ statement simply adds nothing to the debate over the cause of the débacle, and adversely affects the fans and spreads division to include the role of the manager, which whatever one’s own view on his culpability or not, helps no one.
The only solution, it appears to this besotted fan and blogger, is for self-balancing deep breaths to be taken by everyone, and for those two games, and their results, to be ejected from the memories of the id, and those bilious, angry fan confrontations should be consigned to the ‘trash key’.
Will that happen? Well, that is a seriously rhetorical question – and requires no answer except from those with their own puerile agendas!.
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I know its not from a reliable source but if true some great news, ANR reporting that Wenger has agreed a new two year deal and AFC just waiting for the right time to announce it. Cue even more of a meltdown from the malcontents, this WOB campaign has been somewhat of a total failure
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