Today we discuss recent games and the Super League, I don’t get the outrage and immediate condemnation, but @shotta_gooner does.
Pedantic George.
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Positively Arsenal 
The 12 super league clubs have £5.6bn of debt, per UEFA’s definition of financial debt (£3.5bn) and transfer debt (£2.1bn)
it can not go on the way it is, not only for those 12, but most clubs, they just don’t live within their means, its all well and good fans demanding any owner who does not bail out their club to just sell up and let someone else save them, but its not reality
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Does anyone actually listen to these podcasts?
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During the Serie A meeting:
Serie A clubs:”With €350 million available every year, the Scudetto will always be won by Juventus, Milan and Inter.”
Agnelli: “It’s been like this for 80 years anyway, if I’m not mistaken.”
[La Repubblica]
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i don;t george, as I find the sound quality poor, and you both hard to understand, you need to put up a transcript of it, I would read that
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Where is the money coming from?
TV obviously.
If the fans stop watching Sky and all the others, then the money won’t be there, because the advertisers won’t advertise if no one is watching.
This is a disaster waiting to happen and, in the end, it will be in our hands.
I, already watch the games on Sky reluctantly, but it would be easy for me to cancel my subscription and I doubt if I will miss it.
Does anyone think that we or the scum would be anything other than cannon fodder for the others who will have the money to spend on ever increasingly overpaid players?
If the teams get £3b to start off with, what are the chances of it being spent on improving the playing staff and, indeed, where will these new expensive players come from?
IT is simply about money for the owners and the real fans will be left out in the cold.
Will any player who does not make the grade be allowed back into mainstream football?
The end is nigh
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Guilty as charged, George, but it it’s any consolation the only podcasts I have ever been tempted to listen to are Melvyn Bragg’s In Our Time series, and so far I have resisted temptation. I have always preferred the written word.
I was chatting this morning to someone who used to work for JP Morgan and he told me there were people there working on an Europe Super League 18 years ago, so as Arsene Wenger suggested, its not exactly the bolt from the blue that it’s being cast as.-
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Sums it up well for all sides esp the billionaire core.
“Our job is to maximise our revenues. The wider good of the game is a secondary concern.”
Was probably the guiding principle for the formation of PL, CL and now billionaire focused SL.
to me statement reads like F£$K the world don’t ask me for shit.
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After taking some time to digest the developments and the reactions, I am wondering if there is space to express discomfort with the proposal without reaching the point of outrage. That’s kind of where I am, for these reasons:
– This has been the direction of travel for some time, going back at least to the start of the Premier League and appearing as recently as UEFA’s revisions of the Champions League format.
– Anything with the Kroenkes’ fingerprints on it makes me uneasy, and it seems that they were prime movers in the setup of the new league, without the guts even to provide any quotes for an official club statement.
– I follow sport for two things primarily: moments of remarkable athletic skill and dramatic potential. The proposed league might well give us more of the former in European competition, but will those moments mean anything without the dramatic potential offered by relegation or performance-based exclusion?
– Related, the whole thing is inherently anti-competitive. And Arsenal, exercising some sort of capitalist oblige, is right in the thick of it.
– Arsène warned us.
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I have said it before and i will repeat.
Stan Kronke is bad for Arsenal.
Under his watch he sacked Arsene Wenger instead of letting him finish his final year, has signed of on the shit show that was don raul, emery, arteta, super agents, negative unwatchable football, getting rid of our best players, 55 staff sackings etc.
I honestly think if this super league goes through he would move the team to a country that can earn a higher percentage from its local fan base or country with better tax breaks.
What a shit show. Arsenals remaining class left the building with AW.
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“Reports indicate that the €3.5bn will be lent at a low-interest rate of 2 or 3% for 23 years but that is all heavily dependent on revenues that are by no means guaranteed.”
So the 3 billion is just a loan that all teams have to pay back over a period of 23years?
JP is is obviously quids in. suppose fans pay back everyone else profits.
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900thgooner you’ve fallen for one of the false soundbites put out there by the Murdoch Media, re it being a closed shop, the thing is there is relegation and promotion for the super league, just not for 3/4 of the clubs, for it seems a 20 or so year span, its how they are getting the funding, guarantees to the streaming company that the biggest clubs will in it year on year, with five more biggish clubs changeable year on year.
Perez has even stated that the plan is for a Super League 2, which would replace the EL,
Too many are falling for the bullshit that the Super League is to replace the Domestic Leagues, it is there to replace the Champions League
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I will ask this question here as there does not seem to be the hysterical outrage at the notion of the Super League
Lets assume the Super League is a goer, a major success,
would you prefer Arsenal stay out of it,
or
is it better for AFC to be in it.
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reports that Chelsea are pulling out of the proposed Super League, if true will that be the end of it
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“Lets assume the Super League is a goer, a major success,
would you prefer Arsenal stay out of it, ”
To be honest my passion for Arsenal is waning with each issue that Arsenal are involved in that gets on my nerves. As you can tell from my short list of why kronke is bad for arsenal there has been a few things.
I am starting to go past caring and probably get my fixes from other sports. I refuse to invest anymore emotion to the club as it is. so probably loose interest in the whole thing.
Suppose it’s good for kronke, good for Arsenal. More money, better players.
Think the 3 billion is a loan so the fans who want to see it will fund it anyways.
Go elite football.
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Lets assume the Super League is a goer, a major success,
What about if its a goer and fails?
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reports that the 12 clubs are meeting tonight to disband the Super League
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Also find it really ironic Arsene Wenger spent years highlighting and fighting financial doping only for florention perez of real madrid who were getting state funding from the Spanish government to be president of the new financial doping i mean super league.
Wonder what Arsene thinks of it.
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12 always too few for something that controversial. Especially as involved trusting your Roman’s and your Abu Dhabis.
Last few days genuinely got to me as has brought everything that pains me about game and out status within it- Sky treatment, cunt like Neville the supposed voice of morality, the oligarchs, doping; our pgmol situation, the diving, aye even that (something about Rashford- doing genuinely good stuff off pitch it seems, but diving at every opportunity, often benefiting, never criticised, on it- the hero fucks me up) etc,etc.
Never quite felt like this. That little bit of hope of escape has, surely, been pulverised.
Now I figure those who fuck us over will do so with renewed vigour.
Oh well, hopefully damage not as bad as I fear once dust settled.
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With Bayern and PSG confirming they are not joining the SL and chelski and city pulling out that’s the end of it for now but it will come again
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Something fishy about the whole thing.
Their commitment to their plans lasted less than 48 hrs, like they didn’t do due diligence.
something does not seem right.
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Oh well, the thought of a Arsenal in a competition with the worlds best referees was good while it lasted.
Guess the team awaits its punishment in the EL and EPL
Wonder what Stan will make of all this?
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gee maybe the notion I seen put forward yesterday that this whole thing was designed by the 12 to get more of what they want from UEFA and FIFA is true
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it certainly looks to be over, Ed Woodward has resigned as chairman of man utd and Andrea Agnelli has resigned as the president of Juventus
who will get the chop at Arsenal, maybe Vinai
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If Chelsea pulled the first thread to unravel the thing, you can be sure they did not do this out of concerns for the good of the game or fans. My bet is they heard noises out of Whitehall, didn’t like the sound of them, and got some concessions from the government in return for moving out. Or the whole thing was a trial balloon to exact even more preferential treatment from UEFA.
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Juventus denying Agnelli has resigned
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I am sure someone will be sacrificed, I do t know much about him, but would be harsh on Vinai, this is on the owner.I am not sure where this leaves Kroenke if this SL was his end game, not many billionaires out there willing to throw money at the likes of Arsenal, or at least the type of people some might want in the club.
Lots of people out there hopeful Dangote will rush to the rescue, you know, the guy who comes out every 2-3 years telling the world he will be ready to buy Arsenal…in , erm, 2-3 years.
This would actually be a great time to bring Wenger back and put him somewhere very influential upstairs to restore some credibility and direction to a club that has looked rudderless since he left, bit that ain’t going to happen either
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I expect Arsenal to bear the brunt of this in the U.K. press, City and Chelsea bailed first, Utd and Liverpool too big to go after and too much support in the media, Spurs media darlings…
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I think Chelsea and City wanted no part in the first place, but didn’t want to be left behind either.
They can both obviously get fucked. The last couple of days has opened some old wounds.
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Anyway, for damage control, if I were Arteta I’d actually get in the refs’ heads, bring up that we might get worse treatment because of a decision made beyond his or the players’ control. Try and win some sympathy, even if it is a legitimate concern.
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Ed woodwood woodwood now resigned as the SL falls apart.
Ed,
if the SL had gone ahead ARSENAL football Club wouldn’t of been in it. It would of been the ARSENAL franchise that’s not who I support and I would have had to find something else to do with my time.
The PL has grown more and more away from the fans and produced new fans who sit like the Ceasars demanding to be entertained. It stinks more and more and the SL would have taken it to a whole new level.
Jigsol,
JP Morgan, one of the biggest banks in the world, an American institution well connected to corruption was bankrolling the SL.
Mandy,
I don’t know where people are getting this massive assumption from that because we will be leaving the PGMOL that the new organisation of officials wouldn’t be any less corrupt. In Spain officials have long been accused of favouring the big two and who knows who would be the new favourites. More logic would suggest where there is even more money sloshing around there is more room for corruption and the clubs with the most money would be favoured and not our franchise.
As I said before David Dein was part of a group of people trying to put this together 20 years ago and obviously it has come closer this time.
It will come back again in the future and then the 92 and our football structure will be dead.
I think although this has collapsed this time football is dead.
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I see many now looking to use this SL likely collapse as a way to mobilize a campaign to get Kroenke to sell AFC, but surely Arsenal fans don’t want a sugar daddy, if the last 24 hours showed us anything its that Gooners are totally against financial doping and greed,
all football success has to be on merit, not from a financial leg up, isn’t that the main basis of so many opposing the Super League
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It will be very hard for anyone to accuse Officer Krukpe for lack of ambition from now on.
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Ianspace, I jest, well aware of corrupt European refs , and what one did to RVP at. Barca, just for starters.
But was intrigued by the concept of handpicking the best refs, doubt if any English refs would have made that had they really gone for the best
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thats the laughable thing foreverheady, the campaign to get him to sell up is being stepped up, by the very same people who have told us that
all football success has to be on merit, not from a financial leg up
I really have never been able to get my head around the peculiar refusal of so many football fans who clearly want a sugar daddy owner of their club, but point blank refuse to admit it, they much prefer to dress it up with silly stuff like saying they want an owner who actually cares about football and the club not just about making money
you know the sort of owner who shows he cares about football and the club by pumping in his own money to make the club successful, or as we know it, a sugar daddy owner.
I would really love for one of these – all football success has to be on merit guys who also wants KSE bought out to explain how the twain shall meet
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@ eduardo792
Think you might be right.
LONDON (BLOOMBERG) – Uefa is in discussions with Centricus Asset Management over a €6 billion (S$9.6 billion) financing package to overhaul its flagship football tournament and stop plans for a new breakaway Super League, according to people familiar with the matter.
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| The meeting between the 12 Super League clubs is over. FC Barcelona and Atletico Madrid have decided to STAY in the Super League, Manchester City have left, and Chelsea still have doubts.
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reports that Arsenal due to release a statement to announce they have pulled out of the European Super League
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Arsenal
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As a result of listening to you and the wider football community over recent days we are withdrawing from the proposed Super League.
We made a mistake, and we apologise for it.
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Club announcement
An open letter to our fans
Arsenal Media 20 Apr 2021
The last few days have shown us yet again the depth of feeling our supporters around the world have for this great club and the game we love.
We needed no reminding of this but the response from supporters in recent days has given us time for further reflection and deep thought.
It was never our intention to cause such distress, however when the invitation to join the Super League came, while knowing there were no guarantees, we did not want to be left behind to ensure we protected Arsenal and its future.
As a result of listening to you and the wider football community over recent days we are withdrawing from the proposed Super League. We made a mistake, and we apologise for it.
We know it will take time to restore your faith in what we are trying to achieve here at Arsenal but let us be clear that the decision to be part of the Super League was driven by our desire to protect Arsenal, the club you love, and to support the game you love through greater solidarity and financial stability.
Stability is essential for the game to prosper and we will continue to strive to bring the security the game needs to move forward.
The system needs to be fixed. We must work together to find solutions which protect the future of the game and harness the extraordinary power football has to get us on the edge of our seats.
Finally, we know this has been hugely unsettling at the end of what has been an incredibly difficult year for us all.
Our aim is always to make the right decisions for this great football club, to protect it for the future and to take us forward. We didn’t make the right decision here, which we fully accept.
We have heard you.
The Arsenal Board
Copyright 2021 The Arsenal Football Club plc. Permission to use quotations from this article is granted subject to appropriate credit being given to http://www.arsenal.com as the source.
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BBC reporting all English clubs out , just need official announcement
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all six English clubs have announced they are out of the Super League
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Would be nice now they have all pulled out the owners will leave as well however far fetched that seems.
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Very contrite but the damage has been done for years and will continue to be done if pressure isn’t applied.
The very fact they thought it was a good idea says it all and will not be forgotten by the fans.
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Doubt if this is the victory for the fans some are portraying, perhaps a victory for UEFA, maybe Murdochs lot, even arch bandwagonist Boris Johnson who knows as much about football And it’s fans as I know about Quantum string theory.
But suspect this club will be the real loser and pay the Biggest price in the media and elsewhere. The narrative will be set, greedy London bastards who want it all without earning it, despite that applying more to Chelsea.
But whatever the rights or wrongs of KSE, this venture, this club , though they don’t get a fair hearing in the media, they seriously need an uplift in PR and even respectability.
They have made umpteen avoidable mistakes since 2018.
Really time to consider going grovelling to Wenger, as unlikely as that would be.
Never seen wengers parting quote relayed so often as in the last hour or two, and to his credit, by Hector B amongst many others…..that’s him dropped until his transfer this summer .
It seems, as we know I guess, Wenger had an acute understanding of what was being left behind
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This shows that, at last, the powers that be have realised how important to the club we, the fans, are.
It is good news.
Now let them build on this.
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We the fans, really? It’s been a money grabbing thing since Sky/Manure hijacked the game in 1992. I just don’t really care any more as it is so corrupt to the core.
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Tony Atwood and others were right.
You have to admire the marketing tactic, the complete control of the media and the now upcoming expanded CL.
the gaslighting of football fans into supporting Sky and the PL, Gary Neville and Peter Risdale! I suppose that in a certain light this is beautiful.
the premier league lost the last of it’s credibility out there when any person who can count or can see with that lcfc boondoggle.
I am laughing.
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It’s laughable really. A bit like Brexit and the Tory support. MSM rules
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I suspect this unravelled not over fans but over two , already highly doped teams who don’t need the money realising the grief , potential consequences, legislation, and uncertainty over this years ECL wasn’t worth it.
Whatever the faults of the approach, I don’t fully blame teams wanting to take on UEFA. Also wonder if other EPL teams would have been so high and mighty if offered a seat with this lot. Would Leicester or Wolves owners have turned this down? Would Newcastle if their preferred tyrant had bought in? We shall never know
The lack of consultation has not helped, the future of the Kroenkes remains to be seen, my guess, they will just stay put, but far less inclined to spend to compete with the Chelsea’s.and the fans will have to live with that. Dangote might chirp to the press every couple of years, but do absolutely nothing
Now Boris is interested in the game, I hope he puts his energy into less sexy headline grabbing issues that blight the game in this country
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Mandy Dodd
April 21, 2021 at 12:01 am
Mandy, in the 10 years of this blog, that was the best comment I’ve seen. Bravo.
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