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A Win Is A Win. And We won BTW

A guest post for Double Canister 

 

 

“Until Edward Nketiah came on we lacked ideas and creativity” said Arsene Wenger in the post-match interview, and who am I to disagree? The match line-up was predictably predicted in advance by most pundits, including our own Pedantic George and this is now clearly seen as Arsenal’s cup team for the foreseeable future, injuries depending for a few defensive slots.

The starting line-up was:

Macey;

Debuchy, El Neny, Holding;

Maitland-Niles, Coquelin, Wilshere, Nelson;

Walcott, Iwobi, Giroud.

Subs: Akpom 70’, Nketiah 85’, Da Silva 105’, Willock 114’.

This team was expected to give Norwich a right old thumping, but the Canaries had other plans, plans that nearly paid-off as they provided 120 minutes of hard work, defensive organisation and not a little skill to make a very competitive 4th Round Carabao League Cup game go all the way to the final whistle. Giroud may have been feeling the effects of a late-night party after receiving the Puskas award for his wonder goal against Crystal Palace last season, he was not so effective last night. Certainly, many Norwich players were keen to give him several big hugs inside their penalty box, all of which Andy Madley chose not to see to clearly- a bit like Debuchy’s extra time incident – which for me was no penalty as there was not enough real contact with the player, but the less said about Madley the better. The miserabilists will all say that breaking down such a resolved defensive set up as Norwich created was all to do with Arsenal’s commonly perceived (you know: by the media and twitter and Troy Deeney) weaknesses, but please give to credit to Falke’s men who worked their yellow socks off and might feel they could and should have had more than Josh Murphy’s single well-taken chip shot from Maddison’s defence splitting pass. Oliveira, Murphy and Vrancic all missed chances to ensure Norwich were in tonight’s 5th Round draw. They are 6th in the Championship and showed they are an in-form team, and they were fresh from beating local rivals Ipswich Town in the Old Farm derby last weekend. As for some alleged controversial incidents – El Neny was rightly yellow carded for taking down a man, but in no-way was he last man back, so unless there is a new FA rule – he stays on the pitch, and thankfully he was – to provide the ball to the hero of the night.

Step forward Edward Nketiah, who took all of 15 seconds to make an impact. Another tactical masterclass move by the boss? “I brought him on because we needed to score goals and he can score goals. In the end we had eight strikers on the pitch,” said Wenger, in truth I had forgotten about the multiple substitution rules in this cup competition. The news is today full of ‘experts’ who always knew about this kid and that he is going to be the new Henry or Messi, well I didn’t. Eddie played for our U23’s for the last few years, amassing a substantial goal tally and was brought on for his debut away at Bate Borisov in the 89th minute. Last night he made his real introduction with not one, but two headers , both from set-pieces no less. Nketiah is just 18 years old and is an England U19, and somehow, he managed to escape the abyss of Chelsea’s all devouring youth system at 14 before he joined Arsenal. I hope he has a bright future.

As for less impressive performances from Arsenal players last night , all I can say as the BBC and the gutter press are livid with Arsenal’s eventual triumph over the plucky Canaries, so compare the narratives with the BBC’s headline about how Manchester City ‘heroically’ defeated Wolverhampton Wanderers in a penalty shootout, (because they only managed 0-0 in regulation time), and which needed the services of Sane, de Bruyne and Aguero to ensure passage to the 5th round. Playing your best, but highly fragile striker for 120 minutes against Wolves must be one of those ‘genius’ things Pep does that a mere layman like me can’t see. Every single Premier League team fielded weakened teams in this competition last night, and even most of the championship teams did as well. Nevertheless, the second sting selection from Wenger presented some conundrums, Coq and Wilshere were not working as an effective unit in midfield, the defensive line appeared to have no pace at all and the back 3 did not seem to know their positions, and the youngsters seemed to drift in and out of concentration on the pitch. Despite all these concerns, as the game went on and as Norwich did not go on to get a vital (for their hopes) second goal it did look as though Arsenal’s growing nous, guile, call it what you want and overall better football talent would eventually pay off. From what I could see on the telly -credit also to the Arsenal supporters who actually stayed and cheered on the team to the end, rather than join the mile-long queue for a tube home after 70 minutes. And for Theo – he meets lines men every single week who regard him being in-line with the last defender as an offence, have the rules changed again?

The draw for the quarter-finals will take place at 16:00 BST on Wednesday, 25 October.

 

 

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  1. Excellent review, DC. Thanks.
    I can’t wait to watch the match again, but only from 70 mins, probably.

    Rich
    Thanks for various comments. Your post match musings touched my many nerves.
    “Like” also doesn’t like me, though perhaps selfishly, my posts are prolly more about offloading, like. Innit.

    Edu
    Ta for the intro to the goaly and all the other info-snippets I might otherwise miss.

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  2. I followed the game on text as it didn’t show on our local screens thanks to rights issues, so thanks for being extended DC. The comments on the previous post also helped to create a picture for me of what was going on the Ems. Did saw the goals though courtesy of those posting videos on twitter.

    Young Eddie’s goal was well taken and I / we can only hope he kick on from here.

    WWWB posted yesterday something along the lines of: if you dig beneath of where you stand, you will find gold.

    Think Arsène Wenger did just that. While all eyes were on the exploits of Nelson and Maitland-Niles this kid just came and steal the spotlight. Arsène does do a great poker face.

    3 wins on the bounce. Back to winning ways baby, back to winning ways.

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  3. Superb review of a very positive occasion. Good to see an Arsenal player being universally praised, though no doubt that will soon change when Eddie has his next less than 10 out of 10 game.

    On another note, reports suggest we are about to sign Barcas Operations director, presumably to replace Dick Law. Know nothing about the man, or if these stories are true, but if so, would add an interesting angle to the AGM with some critics citing a lack of new blood at board level.

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  4. Another fine debut. Thanks DC.

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  5. Corrections and clarifications
    From @Jeorgebird Eddie has scored
    51 goals in 68 games in Arsenal’s academy in the last two seasons.
    Nearly a goal a game at U18 level and nearly a goal every other game at U23 level.
    Now 2 goals from 2 games with senior team.
    Impressive.

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  6. The 5th round draw is in fact on tomorrow, Thursday at 4pm.
    Which makes more sense, so much for accepting the news from the BBC’s football website.

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  7. Phathetic Pep is now whinging about the quality of the soccer ball they had to use last night.
    Just imagine if Wenger said something like that? the British media would chuck him into the channel.

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  8. After scoring within 15 seconds of coming on against Norwich, the 18-year-old then headed home the winner as the Emirates crowd roared “Eddie, Eddie” at their newest hero.

    But afterwards, Nketiah was keeping a cool head about his exploits.

    “I’m just thankful for the boss for giving me that opportunity to play and show what I can do – it’s a dream come true for me to get on and score not just one, but two goals to win us the game,” Nketiah told Arsenal Player.

    “That’s the most important thing and I’m just thankful for all the fans for the support they gave me, it’s great. I’m a childhood fan of the club, so for the fans to get behind me like that is a dream come true, I’m delighted and grateful.

    “It’s overwhelming [to hear the fans singing my name], but you have to remember you’re here for a job and try to stay focused on the game… but it’s a great feeling.

    “I’ve always dreamt of this as a kid and hopefully they can continue to support me and I can continue to get chances and impress them really, that’s what it’s about.

    “[I grew up watching] Thierry, Dennis Bergkamp, Ian Wright – they were all great strikers and attacking players and I watched them a lot, especially Thierry.

    “When he was working with us [at the club] I used to work with him quite a bit on and off the field, so I’m just trying to emulate even a little bit of what they can do, that would a dream come true for me.”

    Read more at https://www.arsenal.com/news/im-childhood-fan-i-loved-henry-wright#oRzfsj4O068QdcTM.99

    Read more at https://www.arsenal.com/news/im-childhood-fan-i-loved-henry-wright#QphhOO1azRhlUwuk.99
    But afterwards, Nketiah was keeping a cool head about his exploits.

    “I’m just thankful for the boss for giving me that opportunity to play and show what I can do – it’s a dream come true for me to get on and score not just one, but two goals to win us the game,” Nketiah told Arsenal Player.

    “That’s the most important thing and I’m just thankful for all the fans for the support they gave me, it’s great. I’m a childhood fan of the club, so for the fans to get behind me like that is a dream come true, I’m delighted and grateful.

    “It’s overwhelming [to hear the fans singing my name], but you have to remember you’re here for a job and try to stay focused on the game… but it’s a great feeling.

    “I’ve always dreamt of this as a kid and hopefully they can continue to support me and I can continue to get chances and impress them really, that’s what it’s about.

    “[I grew up watching] Thierry, Dennis Bergkamp, Ian Wright – they were all great strikers and attacking players and I watched them a lot, especially Thierry.

    “When he was working with us [at the club] I used to work with him quite a bit on and off the field, so I’m just trying to emulate even a little bit of what they can do, that would a dream come true for me.”

    Read more at https://www.arsenal.com/news/im-childhood-fan-i-loved-henry-wright#oRzfsj4O068QdcTM.99

    Read more at https://www.arsenal.com/news/im-childhood-fan-i-loved-henry-wright#QphhOO1azRhlUwuk.99

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  9. Eddie Nketiah‏Verified account @EddieNketiah9

    Some people just know how to score goals man #goalscorer ⚽️
    7:16 am – 16 Jun 2016

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  10. Charlie Gilmour‏Verified account @CharlieGilmour8 16 Jun 2016
    Replying to @EddieNketiah9

    are you one of them
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    Eddie Nketiah‏Verified account @EddieNketiah9 16 Jun 2016

    I guess so 😉😂
    2 replies 53 retweets 94 likes

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  11. Great write up as usual. Can you imagine if Wenger cried about the ball being used like Pep did,it was the balls fault that they needed Bravo to save their arses in a penalty shoot out yet they had no complaints when they beat W.Brom 2-1. #UpTheArse and well done Nketiah.

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  12. Quote DC
    “Theo – he meets lines men every single week who regard him being in-line with the last defender as an offence, have the rules changed again?”

    this was the main focus of my post last night that we had once again got one eyed officials
    Of course all the ASB seen was the offside flag so that was enough to slate Theo, never mind that he was not offside, its like when we don’t get penalties, or opponents get offside goal or a wrongly awarded penalty, the rights or wrongs of it do not come into for them, its our players fault, Wenger’s fault, and KSE fault. Never the PGMOL’s fault.

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  13. Edd thanks for the clarification on theo…

    cos of his speed, I think I can be obvious enough on side so he can break this continuation on him being offside!

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  14. Leicester City have appointed Claude Puel as the club’s new manager.

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  15. The sooner we have a single owner of AFC the better, see an end to up their own arses AST

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  16. Arsenal Women’s manager leaving

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  17. Arsenal’s Armstrong Oko-Flex back playing for Republic of Ireland U16’s. he had played for England U16’s after playing for RoI before that.

    IRLU16🇮🇪 remain unbeaten in the Victory Shield after a 2-2 draw with @FAWales. Armstrong Oko-Flex’s injury-time equaliser earned a point.

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  18. Good write up DC, thank you.

    Still staggers me that rather than go unbroadcast, the bigger clubs don’t buy the rights to these games and show them on their respective club ‘players’. What a great ad for their websites etc.

    Instead the non-spectacle of the Borchester United game inevitably gets shown and TVs everywhere are switched off.

    One day, maybe; but it’s a shame as we are denied all too rare opportunity to see our ‘kids’.

    One or two of them are quite good, I’m led to believe.

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  19. best headline today on Newsnow Arsenal

    “Arsenal Supporters Trust want Stan Kroenke to submit to public flogging”

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  20. Always liked Ayew… Hmmn…

    LOL.. well I like him tonight and hope he gets a hattrick!

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  21. great post DC like our goals yesterday “better late than never”
    I didnt realise just how bad the lino was until I watched some of the calls again today and Theo was very harshly treated which could have give the game a compleatly different taint.
    I think something else people are forgetting is had norwich won young gunn would have been MOTM which is ironic but when an opposing keeper gets the award we cant of been all bad.

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  22. Saw this on the BBC live chat… I laughed

    Sam Victory: So I watch this game at my friends. 2-0 down. Drive home, it’s 2-2. Go downstairs to check food and it’s now 3-2. Go to bed?

    maybe go to bed and it ends 5 -2? LOL

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  23. What a night at Wembley, hahaha.
    And the final 8 teams in 5th round are as follows:
    Arsenal
    Chelsea
    West Ham
    Manchester City
    Manchester Utd
    Bristol City
    Leicester City
    Bournemouth

    Hopefully we get Bristol City away, and all down to Steww’s place.

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  24. so that’s at least 4 London clubs? impressive I think

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  25. ASB, WOB and AST in meltdown as John Cross has done an interview with Stan and Josh Kroenke and they say they are in full support of Arsene Wenger, its boiled piss, fantastic stuff after all the Usmanov journos were pushing the up their own Arses stuff from the AST

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  26. Stan Kroenke on keeping Ozil and Alexis

    ‘We want to attract top players, keep top players and those guys are top players,’

    ‘I watched them on Sunday and they looked really good and played really, really, really well.

    ‘We’d love to keep them. It takes two to dance; we’ll keep working to keep our top talent and to attract more talent but some of the guys we’ve got are looking pretty good.’

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  27. Stan Kroenke says he will never sell his majority shareholding in Arsenal,

    “Just go look at our history, We get into these things to try to grow them. You don’t see us selling things. You just don’t. We are committed long-term.”

    When asked if he had considered selling his 67 per cent share of the club, Kroenke added: “No. Absolutely not. That’s just not our model.

    “I’m at a stage in life where… what good does that do? I love Arsenal, love being involved with Arsenal. There no finer feeling than going out and winning like we did with the FA Cup.

    “That whole afternoon and evening, we talked about what happened on the pitch. Wonderful. The feeling is contagious and it makes you want to keep doing it. There’s so many easier ways to make money, I can assure you. Much, much easier.”

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  28. The Telegraph interview with the Kroenke’s,

    in the interview they

    Rejected suggestions that they were in football for the money and vowed not to sell.
    Described Wenger as more focussed than ever.
    Explained how winning both the Premier League and Champions League was feasible.
    Promised to protect Arsenal’s traditions and history.
    Outlined a determination to keep Alexis Sanchez and Mesut Ozil.
    Described “rabid” and “wonderful” fans as both the best and worst thing about owning a sports team.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/10/25/arsenal-owner-stan-kroenke-pledges-backing-manager-arsene-wenger/

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  29. Ed

    But was that interview done before they received a certain strongly worded letter? Or, as I’m sure a few reports had it: ‘arsenal fan group goes to war with owners’; ‘major turmoil at Arsenal’ etc.

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  30. Also, I know it gets pointed out here and elsewhere fairly regularly, but the media’s gentle treatment regarding Spurs and Liverpool’s trophy droughts, in comparison to how ours was treated is pretty incredible.

    Case closed, surely, on the question of whether we are treated differently and less favourably by the press?

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  31. rich a journo on Match of the Day 2 last sunday in the preview of the Everton v Arsenal game admitted that the starting point for journos and pundits was “Arsenal only one game away from a crisis”, regardless of how good or long an unbeaten/winning run we are on. The rest of the panel and presenter all agreed. they partly blamed the ASB fans we have, cos if the ASB are in meltdown don’t be surprised if the media hammer it home.

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  32. Rich, Arsenal always role out someone to the media before the AGM, usually Ivan Gazidis, but its nice that its the Kroenke’s this time around. I only hope that Stan gets up at the AGM today and says exactly what he said to the journos, after all its what the whinge bags want, “for SK to set out his long term vision for Arsenal”, he done that yesterday, he is here and is not going anywhere, he is not in it to make money, he wants to win the EPL and CL, but doing so the Arsenal way, no financial doping, the club will be run the way it has always been run. How can any fan who harp on about tradition, wanting their Arsenal back, etc etc find fault with that, only ones that can find fault are those who want a sugar daddy club.

    “I want my Arsenal back”

    “AFC run the same way its always been”

    “No no no, I want my Arsenal back but run like Man City/PSG/Chelsea”

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  33. Also delighted that stan explained for the dim ASB what Ivan’s “catalyst for change” meant, and how it has been implemented, its not AFC’s, Ivan’s or Stan’s fault they thought it meant something else (change of manager)

    Stan has basically told the ASB that he does not give two hoots what they think/want/demand/protest about, Arsenal will make the decisions that he and the board think are best for AFC, not some noisy attention seekers.

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  34. Ed
    “No no no, I want my Arsenal back but run like Man City/PSG/Chelsea”

    That’s it in a nutshell, only the honesty about it is almost always absent.

    Get them anywhere near there and all that’s left is talk of those unused gold reserves in the vaults, or empty guff about ideas, projects and, oh yes, ambition.

    I hear that rascal Stan got onto fans, how they are the best and worst thing about owning a club and, even more scandalously, how they can negatively affect manager and players.

    It’s war! Time for another vote, another letter, a hundred blogs, thousands of tweets

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  35. The meltdown is amusing.Basically, the fact we cannot compete on a level playing field with some is down to the Kroenkes, not Mid East states/Oligarchs etc and those regulators who bought in FFP but were too spineless, self interested, and who knows what else to enforce it.
    The other problem with the Kroenkes, they keep on this pesky , underperforming manager when the likes of Coyle, Koeman, Howe, Moyes, Martinez are out there. Why do they do that? Three cups in 4 years is not good enough for a club like Arsenal, the club owe it to the fans to be more like Spurs and Liverpool
    Taking the words of the Kroenkes at face value, dont really see how anyone can argue with what they say. If of course they have some ulterior agenda, that may be a different matter, but have not seen any evidence so far. None of them know how Usmanov would run the club, or what this mysterious third party would do to improve chances of long term stability or success
    If the malcontents dont like or understand self sufficiency, can only assume they are making Access, Visa, Barclaycard even richer.
    if they really dont approve of the club, they always have the option of toddling off down to the lane, which looking at some forums these days, seems to be their spiritual home.
    Lets face it, if it wasnt the Kroenkes inspiring anger, it would be Wenger, then Ramsey/Ozil, then Vic Ackers

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  36. My concern at moment is that there is a lot of ‘gentle’ complaining about Arsenal getting a break on a couple of 50-50 calls.
    Fortunately (huh!) this week we have been royaly entertained by the thoughts and wishes of the Anti-Arsenal fans, which has deflected in classic Trumpian style. It’s been great, but I’m still concerned on Saturday the focus will be the ‘good fortune’ recieved from the Ref in the previous game.

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  37. Mandy some idiot at the AGM, when Wenger said Aston Villa won the European Cup but look at them now, heckled “but at least the won it”, so there you have it, they want the CL even if it breaks Arsenal, and they call themselves Arsenal supporters.

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  38. Biggest laugh is how the attention seeking brigade and of course the dim crowd from AST are trying to claim Sir Chips and Josh Kroenke only got reelected to the board cos of Stan’s 67% shareholding, totally ignoring that their savior Mr Usmanov also voted for them, meaning 97% support,
    They seem to think the Arsenal AGM is one man one vote and just cos they have larger numbers they have power, laughable little men

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  39. 97% vote for re-election of Chairman yet media call it a vote farce, nice work AST you should be ashamed of yourselves. But they probably think the won cos they had a show of hands.

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  40. Ian Wright might have been a great player but he is an idiot now

    Telegraph Football✔@TeleFootball

    Interview: Stan and Josh Kroenke reaffirm their long-term commitment to Arsenal and Arsene Wenger

    Ian Wright✔@IanWright0

    Heartbreaking!

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  41. I hope he gets rafts of abuse the idiot, we became a cup team because he was a maverick Graham tolerated. Much as I don’t like Alan (Sky agenda) Smith, he alluded to that when interviewed. Wrighty is all about Wrighty.

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  42. Wrighty is a Usmanov man,

    look he encouraged his son to take the money at a sugar daddy club over a career at AFC, so don’t be surprised that he wants AFC to be a sugar daddy club

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  43. > for Steww and others:

    Former Everton manager Ronald Koeman says the failure to sign Arsenal striker Olivier Giroud this summer contributed to his sacking.

    Koeman was dismissed on Monday with Everton third from bottom in the Premier League.

    He claims France international Giroud, 31, was on the verge of agreeing a move to Goodison Park.

    “I had Olivier Giroud in the building,” said Koeman. “That was hard to swallow.”

    He told Dutch football magazine Voetbal International: “That would have been perfect but he decided he’d rather live in London.

    “You tell me where you can get a better striker.”

    Well there it is. The malcontents flavour of last week telling them that their opinion regarding Giroud etc., regarding the football, is of little relevance.
    When will the uber blaggers out there call out these nincompoops for their baboon impersonations? *coughs*

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  44. < that'd be th baboons swinging from the lamp posts around the grove before and after the AGM

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  45. All of Wright’s talent is in his feet unfortunately his brain is a long way from them.
    Another great giggle of the day is how Puskas award winner Giroud is getting blamed for the demise of koeman and Everton. One minute he’s a donkey the next he’s the Messiah.
    Actually he’s not the Messiah hes a very naughty boy.

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  46. Sounds like a very impressive speech by The Man at the AGM today

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  47. Shambles of a Carabao cup draw.

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  48. Think the draw has been delayed so they can find a convincing way to get City vs Arsenal

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  49. I just read we derw the Hammers at home.

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