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Can We Cross The Great Divide?

great divide

Never mind the buglers, where’s the FA Cup/4th place or better?

The fans are split, that’s a given.

But they are not split between AKB’s and WOB’s.  Oh no, there are another set that sit between the two extremes.  Just like in politics, the battle is won or lost in the middle ground. The vast majority of fans are floating voters.  Within this middle ground there will be – and is – a full spectrum of ever changing feelings.

I would guess that up until Xmas the vast majority were happy and very much behind the manager.

Now? Who knows?

But it will be a whole lot less.  And the amount they have shifted their positions will also differ greatly. Some will have had enough, while others may just have some nagging doubts.

Here is the crux.

They are all Arsenal fans.

They all want what is best for them.  (Oh sorry – I meant “what is best for the club”).  They all want us to win every game, they all want to win stuff, and they all want to be happy.

There is however, a basic divide.

Have the last 9 years been a success (as I believe) or have they been a failure?  Therefore, has the manager overachieved or underachieved ?

David Dein recently said that the stadium move would have been impossible without the success Arsene had brought. Ray Parlour said that some of the loans to build the stadium were conditional on Arsene signing a 5 year deal.  Arsene has told us he agreed to stay knowing that the league title was very unlikely. Ivan has admitted that there were indeed financial restraints that they had previously denied .

So taking those things into consideration, what was in Arsene’s job description? What did the board actually ask of him?

What was best for the club?

Arsene himself had said that his priority was qualifying for the Champions League with the financial rewards that follow it.  He did that every year, and given his resources, that was an over-achievement. This isn’t my opinion, it’s a fact backed up by impartial data. The AST had an analysis done (I suspect they were disappointed with the results) which proved beyond doubt that this was the case.

People will point out that it’s not his job to make the club money, his job is to win trophies, but the reality is that his job is to achieve what his employers ask him to achieve.  That may be very different to what a fan would want him to do.

If we finish in the top 4 and win the FA cup, I expect the undecided will once again shuffle towards us.

If we don’t?

Well we know all too well what will happen.

 

 

318 comments on “Can We Cross The Great Divide?

  1. Huddlestone showing his spuddy colours, Kam!

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  2. Thank you George for that RT. No wonder there were so much incoherent twats going full bore at me. Handled them with ease thanks to our performance on the field.

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  3. Its probably because SANTI is as cute as your cat. And yes , if I was the ref puddle would have been off on two yellows at least.

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  4. well, I can’t deny that she is super-cute and wriggly like SC.

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  5. Well done, guys. FABULOUS.

    We can’t win the league at all now (I know, I know, but I always hope until it’s mathematically impossible) but I am still hoping for higher than fourth. Somehow.

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  6. Glad to have contributed to PA with the phrase,” He looks tired and worn out” perhaps it will become legendary. Good game, clean sheet, good tactics Podolski brace and Ramsey on the scoresheet. Could wish for more.

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  7. It was the assertion “He IS tired and worn out” (my uppercase) that really kicked off the shenanigans, Northbank1969.

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  8. Now, come on ManUre! (vomits a bit)

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  9. Congratulations go out to my boys THE ARSENAL ,AW AND THE TRUE SUPPORT. could have been 5-0 or 6-0.
    We will rectify that in the fa cup final.
    Second place ARSENAL, ready or not , here we come……

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  10. Arsene looks tired and worn out, but he spruces up when his best players come back from njury.

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  11. No one replied to my query on Cavani *sobs* but Phil Jones was definitely a good dodge in the end.

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  12. Happy my team won. That Wenger bloke got lucky that he managed to have most of his first choice players available for the first time in a while. Interesting to see the difference that made for the whole team.

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  13. Come on United…….oops soap in my mouth….

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  14. Find maybe arsene would have turned him to a world beater? Jones and small ing chose manure, the Ox and Rambo chose the Arsenal. Which pair feels more vindicated?

    There is a lovely picture of arsene waving in front of a bus on bbc football live. Sadly enough I can’t link it. I do love seeing him smile. Handsome bastard

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  15. United under the cosh 2:0 Everton.

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  16. Ffs manure

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  17. It’s here…. Wenger looking very sprightly indeed.

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  18. Thanks, warms your heart doesn’t it?

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  19. Anyway with regard to that picture, as student of semiotics and image interpretation (my thesis) I give you some ideas here. In that picture arsene is moving with straight back and thus in action. He’s further waving and smiling so he’s unafraid and open to the environment. He’s dressed in black suit and caring a brief case, symbols of power, authority and importance. Even the background is enhancing his power with a colossal shiny black bus. This is a rare example of an image enhancing his presence. The tabloid likes to picture him tripping, kicking bottles, face in hands etc. They choose images that fits their narrative. And we know the narrative last few years.

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  20. Jezzz, manure really are a shower o sh•• this year. I mean more than usual. With that disloyal bas••• they are toothless.

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  21. Also should add in this picture, taken with all other positive associations his white hair comes to represent intelligence and not old age as it would in less flattering images. Never fall for that one.

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  22. Georgaki-pyrovolitis April 20, 2014 at 3:09 pm

    oh yeah… stuffed… have drunk four espressos to stay awake….this united is absolutely useless…

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  23. as student of semiotics and image interpretation

    o_O

    im googling that …sounds like a cia course

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  24. Apropos at 5:06 pm
    Anyway with regard to that picture, as student of semiotics and image interpretation (my thesis) I give you some ideas here….
    ….I guess you would have ample job opportunities in this era of information warfare.

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  25. Shotta you mean like picking ties for presidents?

    Lol hunter just a boring thesis from somewhat 10 years ago.

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  26. gains

    Because the oily clubs represent the nouveau riche mentality some of the peasants who support Arsenal admire.

    brilliant

    Instead we’ll have to watch that cheater Suarez lift the league trophy.

    ok i understand your sentiment but it sucks only in terms that liverpool might win it instead of us…but suarez? why the hatred? he is an exceptional striker/footballer. ok he is a bit of a bastard but you need that. would you be holding it against wenger had we secured his signature? if you ask me…i have far more disgust that cunt hansen who is on the tv now giving it all large than luis who has had to deal with xenophobia and witch hunts, yet always kept his mind on the job. …podolski suarez theo…think about that …. and giroud the plan b… three champions league in a row.

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  27. suarez is world class in the end of the day…what about watching flanagan and skrtel and….mignolet ffs with epl medals….now thats horrible….

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  28. I hate Suarez because he’s a cheat. Every time he dives, I want to run his face over with my car.

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  29. Ronaldo was an exceptional striker and he didn’t need to be a bastard. Romario was an incredible striker and he didn’t need to be a bastard. Bergkamp was a legendary striker and he didn’t need t be a bastard. Batistuta, Kluivert, Henry, Weah, Suker, Kanu, Van Persie, Agüero, Villa, Toto Squillacci not bastards.

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  30. just how did we lose to this man yooo team… More grateful for the palace result then… goes to show the unpredictability of footy

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  31. fair enough even though id like to debate this cheating as helathy as possible, but tell me what you think of him as a striker though?…because thats my issue. his football ability.

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  32. Sorry, dude, but Suarez is not a victim. You can’t behave like a fucking savage and claim xenophobia when everyone calls you a savage. I’m sorry. He may be an excellent footballer, but that’s about it.

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  33. bergkamp as well as zidanne knew perfectly well how to keep/leave the elbow or their foot on the opponent. id never call them dirty or cheats though they had every right to give as they take …. batistuta not a bastard? maybe a different type of bastard…he had to survive in italy ..lol.. kluivert is not in suarez class i think, nor henry, suker, kanu van persie …these are nice kids compared to this animal…

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  34. He’s a skilled player who is going throug an extremely good spell. This doesn’t mean I want him at Arsenal, though.

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  35. no doubt he is an animal/savage….but so is this league…..

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  36. would you have held it against wenger had he brought him ?

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  37. We need a new Henry.

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  38. ManIOU are useless.
    Jones again partially responsible on the second goal.

    Looks like Moyes has aged an age these past few months. Nothing to do with that banner and stuff.
    (I’m so funny I’m killing myself softly here)

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  39. You can’t behave like a fucking savage and claim xenophobia when everyone calls you a savage

    im guessing this comment is more to do with the evra incident ? ( which i would also like to debate healthy) , or are we equating diving with savagery now ?

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  40. Put it this way, I dislike Suarez as much as I dislike Mourinho. They both leave ethics and dignity to one side in order to win. That’s not an example I want for my kids or children in general. Let’s just leave it at that.

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  41. That’s a season long debate going on above upon a blog where such things allegedly do not occur.

    I’m staying clear!

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  42. very well put that last line about putting ethics aside but its not like he comes out in the cameras later on provoking or pissing on legends like cruyff and wenger, or winking like ronaldo….he knows what he is doing and doesnt care about how its perceived….. the other part about example for kids is a bit off target imo….most of these guys grew up in shitty environments and football is their way out and to feed their families…its not their fault that marketing and society has chosen football ( out of all sports) to look for heroes for children…

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  43. Not at all. It has to do more with the biting, the diving, the whining, the rolling around as if he got shot, etc..

    The Evra thing pisses me off for different reasons. As a person of Hispanic descent, I will admit that the word “negro” has no relation to the n-word in certain contexts. However, it can also be used as a racist taunt. Suarez saying that his use of the word wasn’t racist, because there are black people in Uruguay, is just bullshit as far as I’m concerned. Latin America is every bit as racist as Europe or the United States, and shit like this just serves to sweep this reality under the rug. Also fuck him for using the “I’m Latin” defence. I’m Latin American and I wouldn’t have called Evra, or any black person for that matter, negro just to get under their skin.

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  44. hey fins its done in a great spirit, at least from my part..hope gains too. i now see where he is coming from….i might consider it a bit exaggerated but thats fine…im sure he considers some of my takes on players exaggerated too.

    ok thats done…

    lets do cheschney and fabianski now …..LOL……

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  45. maradona or pele? …ha

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  46. That’s no excuse, Hunter. Most footballers come out of shitty environments, some even worse than anything Suarez ever had to face, but you don’t see them act like spoiled eight year olds on the pitch.

    Fin, I was also going to comment on Moyes looking tired and worn down. Being outside of the CL does that to a manager.

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  47. the comment about shitty environment was not about about his antics on the pitch though, but that society has chosen to market footballers as heroes for children especially in an age were football is a dirty business governed by money.

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  48. I loved this interchange about Suarez between Gains and Hunter, both of whom I greatly respect for their footballing knowledge. When it comes to footballers, I for one am very skeptical of their public persona including our own players. Most of them are bastards in their personal life. Giroud is no different from his peers; unlike them, he was caught. They are paid to be footballers and as much as I hate Suarez’s diving and cheating I would sign him to Arsenal while holding my nose. He is not only an excellent footballer but he is a hell of a competitor which is what we need.

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  49. Another beauty from Wenger today:
    “There was much more oil in the engine again.”
    Soon we will need additives.

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  50. I hate my phone, I wrote a huge comment.
    Oh well done Arsenal today, didn’t doubt them.

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