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Arsene-Go Or Stay-But Do It Soon

Arsene’s contract situation is becoming a concern to me. I believe it is a mistake to leave us all in limbo in this way.

From what we are led to believe, there is an offer of extension on the table, just waiting for him to put pen to paper. There is speculation as to its length and to the amount he will be paid. We will, if he signs, be told the the former whilst the latter will as ever be left to speculation. Personally I hope its for at least 4 years and at any price, salary wise.

Others will hope that he does not sign at all. That’s fine, people are free to wish for what they like. If someone genuinely thinks its in the best interests of the club, then they should indeed want a change. I suspect however that its more in their own best interest to have him leave as they have invested so much emotion in wanting silverware and bragging rights.

At 64 years old it could be that the burden of being the main man at an ever growing mega club is taking its toll. We know he has more influence over ever part of the club than any other manager at any other club. Some, like me, are happy with this, other not so, but regardless , its a consideration. I cant imagine there being  any dilution of responsibilities, so will he be up to it for another term ?

Its clear that the board want him to stay, but are the putting all either eggs in one basket ? Do they have a plan B ?

I expect to see a director of football and a head coach as his replacements, have they identified those people ? Will they have tested the waters ? They should have, but we just don’t know.

What do the players think ? Are contracts being agreed on the understanding that Arsene will stay, or are they going to feel betrayed (like our old friend RVP)  if he leaves ?

Its clear now ( as if it ever wasn’t ) that Arsene agreed to stay and lead the club through a prolonged period of austerity. There was much less money than we were led to believe. Surely having gotten us to this point Arsene will want to reap the benefits of his endeavours?  WONT HE ?

This squad is built in his image. With a couple of top class additions and the incremental improvements of the young players, this team could be special. However, I believe Arsene is vital to it being able to make the final leap.

One way or another, we the fans, deserve to know, and know now.

 

46 comments on “Arsene-Go Or Stay-But Do It Soon

  1. As I’ve said before,I think this is the great mans last season,I wish it wasn’t but I genuinely believe it is,it’s just a gut feeling but I think he has genuinely been hurt by some of the disgusting abuse he has recieved from some so-called fans after he’s stayed loyal despite offers from Europes super clubs,and guiding us through the stadium move-it’ll probably take a few years for those half-wits to look back and realise just how good he was and the circumstances in which he worked in after the move,whatever he decides May 2014 or May 2020 is alright with me.

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  2. If it is any consolation I pretty much get all my predictions wrong!

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  3. Sorry PG, Got to say I don’t care when he signs as long as he does it. I do have this fear he will call it quits if we go out in the semi or lose out on champions league football, due to the backlash and negativity the doomers would bring to the club and team if that did happen. And really I wouldn’t hold it against him if he did, he derserves a new last challenge in a healthier environment. But other then those circumstances I can see him stay, the hunger is there and I’m sure he wants to succeed with this set of players.

    Ha hunter, anything else then kalou really.

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  4. Forgive me PG for I have sinned…….I just read today’s LeGroan post which is very much about the same issue. The difference is style and tone is truly astonishing. Whilst yours asks the question in an honest and respectful way the other drips with arrogance and stinks of conceit. It is full of the self-importance of a person who has the temerity to claim insider knowledge at just about every facet of the Arsenal transfer business model…..even if they are ‘fellow’ Gooners I have nothing but contempt for them…..

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  5. And really, we must be the best run club out there, I’m sure there’s an contingency plan even if they wouldn’t make it public due to respect for the current manager. Arsene already said he won’t have any say in the choice of a new manager, so it’s clear it falls on the board and CEO. And they do seem like people that take their jobs seriously.

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  6. Goongoonergone ,Your comments are not in moderation, they are in the trash,you disrespectful halfwit cunt.

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  7. It is a little puzzling but after so many years I can understand Arsene wanting to wait until the end of the season before finally deciding what to commit himself to. The man is carrying a formidable burden, requiring massive physical and mental stamina. At 64 I would prefer him to step away from the job rather than keel over in the dug out a la Jock Stein.

    I think Ferguson had a sensible approach with his one year rolling contract for the final 4-5 years of his tenure.

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  8. The box office is busy. I am waiting in a queue………………………

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  9. Hi Anicoll
    I got my ticket for WBA.

    I can’t believe it but I may even see Ozil, Ramsey and Diaby!

    Oh what a midfield! – as PG has been saying for the last few days.

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  10. I saw the West Brom tickets went like lightening this morning DC !! I will havet get on te Exchange

    I have just scored a zero on the Wembley tickets but I will keep my eye open (Banned one eyed sad unsmiley)

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  11. but I think he has genuinely been hurt by some of the disgusting abuse he has recieved from some so-called fans after he’s stayed loyal despite offers from Europes super clubs

    which basically demonstrates two things :

    either arsenal fans are mugs or its an english football fan culture thing to disrespect those who have taken their club from category c and placed it in category a

    either way doesnt make me fell ok to be associated with such unethical behaviour

    i thought …..as some deluded old arsenal gangstas ….that this club always had class….

    pffffffff lol …yeah right……

    in any case…wenger will extend. he is frying the fans a bit to see if were going to react and fucking support for once.

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  12. if he leaves because of doomers then sorry but that is embarassing for arsenal and i dont think our owners are that stupid…..

    much rather ivan comes out and offers refund to whichever cunt doenst like what were doing and tell them to fuck off and never come back.

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  13. Forgive me PG for I have sinned…….I just read today’s LeGroan post

    Had them all dancing last night …infiltrated as eyemsick and gave some inconvenient truths..thick as pigshit they are…. “why werent we told we would have to wait/ i thought we moved to compete with real and barca/ tactics transfers players manager owners…all useless”…..the best part is they all took time to answer back to things that clearly annoyed them ..haa brilliant….i will go torture them more tonight…

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  14. lol they think that teh copanys cash reserves are there for wenger to go and spend it to agents and divas….they dotn realise that cahs reserves are saved for a rainy day ( not getting top4, acts of god whatever)

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  15. Arsene always waits till the end of the season with his reasoning being talks would just get in his way. He has already said he will stay and has always been a man of his word.
    I think the only way he would leave is if we didn’t qualify for the CL and didn’t win the cup and there was a massive fan reaction. Even then it wouldn’t be a definite so although I enjoy your posts George on this occasion I think we can concentrate our concerns elsewhere.

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  16. Good post, George and some serious questions. My concern would be if delay in signing the contract is hampering any of the work we need to do this summer. Hopefully the club is proceeding to work on signing players to take us to the next level and complete unfinished business of last summer: striker and DM/CM that AW was interested in, apparently. But, does AW need to be very directly involved and can he be without having signed and is the club at all prepared in case he chooses to go (unlikely as it may seem given his public statements–however he did leave himself some real wiggle room on this the last time he spoke about it). I know he would never want to do anything that makes it more difficult for the club, but I do wonder if the delay here is having or might have some unfortunate consequences for the club despite his intentions. I wish he had signed already because, like you, I would love him to have the opportunity for at least a few years to build a team with more generous resources after many years of sacrifice. However, we have had some resources since 2010-11 and then many more last summer. Given this, it is difficult for many to remain patient, but it would be quite tragic to stumble at the last step and discourage him from remaining. I am hoping for at least a couple more years.

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  17. guys relax…he is frying the players so that they push themselves to drop the tag of bottler/loser and to also scare the fans a bit or force the good ones to come out and support and isolate the apes who cause nothing but problems.

    usually no news is good news, but for some reason this week it is been working the other way round.

    you will reap what you sow arsenal fans…dont coutn me in ..im a wengerite remember ..hahaa…

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  18. as for successor…lol..what do you all think bould is doing there ? he is there to learn from arsene and marry the frenchman’s sophistication with that ‘beloved’ gg grit….

    and because yorue making me feel miserable with these scenarios…if he ever leaves…only rafa to take his place. rafa rafael ..rafa rafael ! ! i can play too..

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  19. I’ve read the last few articles – in fact, all of them, and the comments. Thanks to all, especially PG, for “Blame Game” and “Stop Supporting”. I kept looking up and down to see if someone other than PG had written SS – cos it was a good, thorough article, not the sometimes-usual “here’s a subject, Discuss”.
    (That’s what you get for twattering, George, tee hee).

    May I also praise you for your post at 1:49 on this article. If I may, I’m thinking of copying that onto UA, as unlike this site, they allow all manner of troll-c**ts there, and it’s quite depressing to know that people all over the world who read that site, having found it as some kind of relief to what seems the loudest of the anti Arsenal/Wenger blogs and general “reporting”, probably haven’t rejoiced at the shit the naysayers post – though they’re very much in the minority, as are the c**tfaces in the stadium.

    Don’t allow them on here! This site’s called Positively Arsenal. That’s IT.
    (Sorry for lack of brevity, but that’s why I wouldn’t write articles – besides undoubted lack of ability. Aw, don’t put yourself down Rants. No, eff off, etc.)

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  20. Re this article, I think there’s some reason behind Arsene not signing yet, and of course I’ve no clue what it is.

    I take the position that I’ll just have faith. One way or another Arsene will get slated by the 4th estate – cos that happens during and following EVERY fking season. Remember, the powers that be have been attempting to destabilise Arsenal for many, many years. For them, nothing’s good enough. Ever. Whilst all other teams are brilliant or unfortunate.
    They kick our players constantly and it’s neither acknowledged by meedja/plundits, nor anyone else who’s supposedly influential.
    You know it.

    I hope Arsene stays. I believe he’ll stay. I’ve only been to one match this season.
    Villa at the Ems. I saw all that through binoculars, A Taylor. I heard the boos, and I joined in at full time. When I say ‘full time’, my booing was when the last Arsenal players went into the tunnel. The booing was for that crook of a ref. I saw what you done, and I’ve watched you and your ilk doing that for years, aided and abetted by all and sundry.

    Thing is, whilst some, or many, suck up all the crap, it’ll bite them back, believe me. Not at first through corrupt football exposure, but as a result of the same tactics being used to determine the general direction of things Political. And they mightn’t know what’s hit them.

    COYG

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  21. Andre ,contrary opinion is fine, stupidity and abuse is not.
    Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out.

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  22. Yeeeeeesssssss Who got his ticket to Wembley ? Smug git that I am

    Same block as my son, two rows and one seat across behind the little chap

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  23. Lol…Who you talking to george? Let him in ill humiliate him just cover your eyes. I have experience in such matters

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  24. Why would I let in people who talk shit. They have specialist sites for that. ACLF for example.?

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  25. If he should go at the end of this season it would be immensely sad, but I can imagine him eventually getting to the stage when he says “sod the lot of you: I simply can’t be bothered anymore.” Except that he wouldn’t, because he is a better man than that. I suppose there is another possibility, which is that the club do have someone else lined up, and for whatever reason it needs to happen sooner rather than later. But from my own point of view, I hope that he stays long enough to see this squad, that he is putting together so carefully, mature into the formidable force he knows they will be.

    And as for some of the views held by so-called supporters… well, they simply beggar belief, but as I’ve said before, the fan base is a broad church, so it comes as no surprise to see his wisdom as caviar to the general.

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  26. Ramsey and Nancho back in training…..at last some good news…..and….Diaby is back on the pitches……whatever that means….

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  27. I pray to the unseen god, or any deity, that Diaby is back for good and he has a good few years tearing up the EPL and fucks all the doubters off…..

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  28. Oh thats gine george I just wanted an opportunity to show my talents to the world.

    Georgaki…i want yuvarlakia…youve made me jealous

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  29. Ramsey is back apparently…our son aaron

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  30. “Yeeeeeesssssss Who got his ticket to Wembley ? Smug git that I am

    Same block as my son, two rows and one seat across behind the little chap”

    Well done anicoll5! I got my ticket too! I still can’t believe it!

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  31. George, perhaps you are spending too much time on Twitter? I’m aware there is a lot of speculation on there about Arsene’s replacement and I got a little twitchy about it myself. But I suspect (or hope) that he just doesn’t want any distractions during the season and as usual he wants to review the season past and his capacity to continue before making a decision. As much as it might frustrate us, the timing has to be right for him and the club, not the supporters. I certainly cannot see him just turning his back on the club and leaving it in the lurch after all the sacrifices he has made to get us to where we are now. Ultimately, whether we worry about it or not, we cannot influence his decision or the timing of any announcement we can only wait patiently in hope or expectation according to our desired outcome.

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  32. I don’t think I’m the only one who has considered that AW might just be trolling some trolls and hacky slappers? No idea why but with so much blunted ammunition that has rebounded off the carapace from the armoury is one required?

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  33. Hunter

    Those are home cooking only….maybe in the summer we can have a positivista gathering in the midlands and get PG to move his grumpy arse and meet us halfway in Chesterfield…..mind you summer cuisine at my place is souvlakia……my children say mine are the best…..by then we’ll be celebrating winning the FA cup…..

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  34. Arsene can’t leave yet….it’s only just beginning…….

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  35. please dont get to excited about some of the returnees just yet, it will take them three or four games to get up to speed. For now those who have toiled through the last few games will have to carry us on.

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  36. Pas is right. Now is not the time for thinking about contract extension, now is the time for high pressure work load and see this season through to its finale. AW is aware of the stakes, sentiments, past and present and many other factors that we (fans) might not even consider, structures, systems, financial models; but as a professional on a contract, he is not employed by Le Groan, or ACLF even, but by a Board of Directors that represent shareholders, and in other respects represent “the club” institutionally.

    It’s improbable it is on his list of things to do immediately. Moreover, the business of continuity, stability, will be uppermost on the Board’s mind, either way. AW’s departure will of course one day arrive, planned most likely by AW himself. Therefore, we only ask, is it being planned and is being kept back in secrecy. The millennium game might have been an emotional turning point, may tip the balance, but that’s not likely.

    My imagination tells me there is only one person in this world that knows for certain, and that person will not stay one day longer than necessary for the club’s interests. His departure will be as selfless as his service. That’s what honest professionals do.

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  37. GEORGE, I think your worries are misplaced. The man himself has stated many a time ” judge me at the end of the campaign” . I think he will judge himself at the end of this campaign and I have no doubts he will stay for at least a couple of more years. And when the next step in this evolution is realized he might even extend his stay a couple of more years after that. This club and this project is his baby and like any proud parent he wants to see it graduate from collage and ultimately get married. As you say the board is on his side 100% and so are the players. Each and everyone. In my opinion even the majority of the fans wish him to stay. Who gives a S••• what the vocal minority and end of an era know-nothings say or want. The objectives have been clear for years to all who want to see and are not blinded by the refractions from those shiny silver things. The club have come in leaps and bounds as objective after objective has been reached and placed on the mantel. More is yet to come and these will be the sweet reaping years. The years we will all harvest the sweet fruit of hard work and sacrifice through the tumultuous years. WE CAME THROUGH. IT IS OUR TIME NOW . no doubts.
    But I’m with you as far as possible dilution of some of his workload and responsibility’s. I believe IVAN & BOULDY are now capable to carry on their jobs with as little supervision as possible. That part of the equation has also been filled these past two to three years. And most importantly STAN & THE BOARD are 100% on board. Do not worry yourself needlessly. All is well and will be even better in years to come. We will see the day when once again THE ARSENAL will win their campaigns consistently and with AW at the helm.
    God willing…….
    UP WITH THE RED&WHITES!!!!!!
    UP WITH ARSENE!!!!

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  38. I think I’ve possibly just realised why Arsene Wenger is indeed responsible for all our injuries (or rather, why our injuries seem to take longer than anyone else’s to heal). Once he has a player he sees that player as a long term investment/project. If he rushed a player back after injury, or used artificial means to aid healing, then he might get a short term gain, but at the potential long-term detriment to the individual. I can’t see him doing that, as he respects his players as humans, and doesn’t see them as pawns in a game to be sacrificed at will.
    I can also see why that approach wouldn’t cut much ice with those fans who will happily murder a player whilst he is still on the pitch. but why his ex-players tend to speak so warmly of him.

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  39. Got to the post late.

    As to whether he stays or not, I would say it would be in the best interests of the club and the greater football community if he stays. As to what will happen? What will be, will be. Alas, if I could predict the future I would have predicted the lotto numbers…

    But in regards to “Surely having gotten us to this point Arsene will want to reap the benefits of his endeavours?”
    …I think Arsene Wenger is one of those rare people who has at the same time a greater and lesser ego than others. The greater ego to believe in victory despite all odds. The lesser ego to do what is right for the club and his players at his own expense. We have learnt these long years of attrition warfare from all quarters that Mr Wenger is not a man to look for his own benefit first. If he stays to finish what he started, he will do it from the point of view of the project, the players, his players, his club, his supporters, his duties rather than his benefits.

    And that is why he is great. Because he is like Julius Caesar, like Hannibal Barca, like Belisarius, like Tokugawa Ieyasu – the great man who acts for his duty first to the detriment of himself. Some of those great men rose again, others fell to ruin, others a quiet retirement. What of Wenger? Only the fates know for sure.

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  40. Btw, great post George, sorry I did not mention that.

    Viva! Viva Pedantic George!
    Viva! Viva Postively Arsenal!
    Viva!

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  41. @Georgaki 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

    Amen to that, brother. Diaby explodes into Power next season! Signs new contract!! Fuck you doomers!

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  42. George worries too much. History teaches when George worries the very opposite of what he fears is in the offing.

    Good comments all round.

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  43. Sorry PG, this is a topic of little importance at the moment. The recycled nonsense of the weak.
    “Arsene’s going nowhere…we’ve only just begun!”

    The real story is the returns of Rambo, Nacho & Vassiriki AD!
    What this could mean once u plug in the other returnees for the month of April is what’s up for grabs.
    Arsene lives best in the present. Always has, always will.

    Everton on sunday’s a big one.
    All hands on deck gooners.
    COYG!!!

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  44. Zimpaul

    Did you see the comments from Pires on unleashing the Ox at CF, eventually, following on from the performance in Munchen.

    Zimpaul and Pires. Great minds an’ all.

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  45. foreverheady on April 4, 2014 at 9:42 am

    The disingenuous self-declared sports science Experts revealingly edit this understanding out of their jibberisms upon various blogs.

    This means that for years they have deliberately misrepresented the ethics and method of the Arsenal physio team, the whole medical philosophy and attitude of the club towards it’s athletes. Ignoring all that, we know that all clubs are open to new thinking in these areas. Criticism is welcome in a reasonable world, unfortunately only a liar would pretend that in a world where Biggus Sammus is happy to dabble in a bit of acupuncture that all clubs do not spend their time looking at interesting and relatively innovative techniques etc. if football is behind the curve in certain areas, then AFC are still one of the most progressive clubs in football in these areas. E.G. Following WADAs repetitive critique of the lack of any regulated doping tests in Football, how many clubs out there have been testing their own players for things like EPO doping (looking out for their athletes). Lauren had been doped against his knowledge in Italy prior to his move to London. Fortunately he was a better player then the Horse (Luzhny!) : )

    The self-declared Experts who have trouble denying any associations with R&W Holdings have been chatting similar rubbish on the tic-tac-tactics and the finances as well over the years.

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  46. Fins, I did not see those comments. Interesting. I would be so excited if it happened.

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