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Arsenal,Kings Of Tanking Player Values

Good day folks,

In this podcast we look at the huge gulf between what we have to pay and what we get for players after we tank their value.

Pedantic George

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  1. I think we can safely say I’m a curmudgeon.

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  2. While it is clear after all the years of Arsene remaining successful while giving the club a financial stable footing and therefore insuring a future for the club, it is clear the current bunch are happy to completely undo all that and leave us walking the line of fragility.
    Mikel will be judged by his fans on what remains on the pitch and not what is wasted of it. If Vinai, Edu and Mikel buys six players every window and two work eventually they will have a team. The consequence of this may not be felt until after they have all left but by then we could be Leeds.

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  3. ianspace2014 so after years of complaining we were penny ppichers and how teh Kronkes were holding us back our 2nd successive high spending window is moaned about. Fans eh?

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  4. It’s not the spending it’s the wasting and chopping and changing and who is doing the buying. Let’s see what transpires in future

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  5. No one can complain that the Kroenke’s are not spending, the’ve spent $500 million since Arsene Wenger was forced out; or that the players Arsenal are buying are poor. The owners are spending and the players are, for the most part of a quality consistent what they were bought for. Even players perceived as ‘flops’ are more victims of pundit attacks than actual performance problems.

    The issue is that Arsenal is hanging on to players that never play, eroding their values and thus depriving themselves of revenue and, in the process damaging the careers of players who have, in many cases, been good players for the club. Hector Bellerin is a case in point. Arsenal had a player with three years lefto n his contract worth 20 million but have played inferior players, like Cedric and Calum Chambers in his place, eroding his value. Now, with 1 year left, the Gunners cannot seem to get anything for him. So many other players have left on free transfers or for much less than their market values.

    If the owners are willing to take an Abramovich approach, and when expensive transfers flop, replace them with equally highly rated players, then this is not a major issue, but historically, Arsenal, when they have big signings that don’t work out, are hesitant to replace the flop with another high profile, high-fee player.

    This window, while Arsenal have made good signings, the team did address their most pressing need by signing Gabriel Jesus, but still have not addressed 2 of their 3 biggest needs, a central midfielder who scores and provides assists and quality fullback depth on both sides of the pitch.

    Considering the moves Tottenham made, adding 4 first team players to date, Arsenal are not gaining ground on their rivals. Of curse if Arsenal can get in Youri Tielemans or a similar player, and full back cover that improves on Tavares and Cedric, the club will have a chance to gain ground; but absent the central midfielder, it is hard to claim that Arsenal will improve on this season’s fifth place.

    Comparing the windows so far

    Spurs
    Perisic
    Bissouma
    Richarlison
    Forster

    Gunners

    Marquinos
    Vieira
    Turner
    Jesus

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  6. Surely is the issue not what we spend but what we do with the players we buy.

    I anticipate that Jesus will eventually find Arteta’s micromanagement and unadventurous style and tactics difficult to cope with and as with Ozil and Auba before him will find himself at odds with Arteta and out of favour.

    The last thing that Arteta wants is a skilful player who wants to think for himself.

    You cannot tell a Brazillian international forward that he has to do what he is told and not think for himself. That is a recipe for what we have seen so many times before.

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  7. Personally I was never one of those standing next to a shinny new stadium singing where’s the money gone.
    I always have followed the youth teams at Barnet and Borehamwood and when a mate joined the ARSENAL scouting team hale end as well. One youth player getting in to the first team always excited me more than a big money signing.
    I learned my lesson spending my whole summer worrying about a major signing with the tug of war with Tony Cottee, which we lost to Everton. He went on to win fuck all and we went on to win the league twice and several cups.
    The clear message is the manager and nowadays the management team are the most important people at the club and while all management teams make mistakes they need to get alot more right than wrong. Unfortunately I don’t think that is the case at the moment and Stan won’t keep subsidising failure for ever and in the end the triangle will be moved on either all at once or all together.

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  8. Sell the good players with the wrong agents
    Buy some punters with the right agent.

    Sweet as you like.

    Who could’ve seen such a boondoggle looming over the horizon whilst wondering why the old gaffer wasn’t given a penny to replace his two aging CBs in 2017.

    Time to put up the window in this Land Rover, we’ve given the plebs enough crumbs i mean cake to feast on.

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  10. Given the bargain basement prices (but not wages, I suspect) that these ‘tanked’ players have been valued at, which of them have gone on to be real successes elsewhere? I don’t think Arteta is unique in being a manager who expects players to buy into his system, nor would he be the first Arsenal manager to get rid of corrosive voices in the ranks.

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  11. There’s a fuck load of corrosive voices then Tim, odd for one club? Maybe Arsene went out of his way to find corrosion?

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  12. Tim you are correct about managers getting rid of “corrosive” players however the top managers like Arsene and old red nose knew when to get rid of them and if that meant keeping them one more season in the interest of the club then that’s what happened.
    A good leader would always put the club (or country) before themselves. If you have four decenting voices you don’t have to get rid of all four normally you would remove the lynchpin then persuade the rest to change direction, it is this that Mikel seems unable to do.
    Having said that I see that he’s finally gone. His dictoral style, unable to take advice from others and being dogged by mistakes has finally caught up with him.
    Boris that is not Mikel!

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  13. Well that’s me told, George! There’s a different possibility, though, so I put forward this (devil’s advocate) view.
    It is not beyond the bounds of probability that in his last years of management Arsene assembled a squad containing some supremely talented individuals, who when it suited them were capable of playing sublime football. They were talented enough to make it up as they went along, seeing the game and the possibilities so much clearer than mere footballing mortals. However, there were times when it didn’t suit them so much, times when the graft needed to chisel out difficult points felt all too much effort. They were, if you like, the epitome of flat track bullies, taking refuge in their class and reputation, taking advantage of their kindly manager’s trust.
    When Arsene left it was down to Unai Emery to try to replace that flamboyance with a system built on teamwork and effort, but maybe the players were not willing to make the change. It is not hard to imagine the sneers and derision that some of his ideas and tactics might have caused. Far from supporting him it could it be that their reluctance to make changes caused Emery’s downfall and led to his replacement with Arteta – and that his system also led to a falling out with reluctant superstars.
    Who knows for sure? I’ll see if I can find out!

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  14. I wouldn’t describe Bellerin’s descent into alcoholism and depression and giving up on training (he was blown off the ball at one point) as corrosive more like an emotional response to the gas lighting and destruction of the club that he had committed his life to (unlike another former le masia kid) – an understandable reaction from any young person given what must have been for him heart breaking context and circumstances.

    He’s better off with a fresh start.
    Getting away from the corrosion.

    #spendspendspend

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  15. I didn’t know that about Hector: what an awful shame.

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  16. Arsene deliberately coached players on how to solve problems on the pitch themselves which is why he didn’t have to stand on the touchline and bellow instructions for 90+ minutes.
    The other problem with this devils advocate argument is Arsene (as with the history at ARSENAL) didn’t have superstars as such. Yes he had an abundance of highly talented players many world class but were they superstars in the prima-donna sense, certainly not.
    Probably the nearest thing we had to that was Auba who loved the showbiz styley.
    I think that the old graft thing is a bit of a myth. Several sights like Untold published the miles covered, sprints etc and we always were up there with the best.
    Arsene’s teams were also best or close when it come to points gained from losing positions as opposed to the grafters under Mikel who once going behind hang on for the defeat.
    The other thing to remember is for a manager and a squad who had the board and the crowd and the world against them still managing to come fifth, losing out to the fantastic Klopp and media darlings Liverpool, who were supported by PGMOL by only a point and then coming sixth in the most toxic season ever seen at ARSENAL in the last two seasons was a massive achievement.
    A manager and squad who were half arsed would not have been able to manage that.

    Compare that to the record we have seen since and that’s with massive spending and full backing of the board and the crowd and it’s the squad of last season who are more likely to be accused of being a squad who sometimes just can’t be asked.
    Worst start in forty years, first time in our history suffering three defeats in a row twice and then such a wet wank of a run in.
    It’s all there for you Tim, devils advocate is not a place to be right now.

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  17. Real shame about Jack retiring, now there was a real grafter, a player who hated to lose but most of all an absolutely fantastic talent being one of ours put the icing on the cake.

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  18. Good luck Jack. A career shortened in part by the PGMOL who allowed open season on our skilful players . The sooner the disgrace that is Mike Riley is gone, the better, though not so sure about his successor

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  19. Thanks Ian – all noted! And on a more positve note, what a brilliant start for our new Number 9.

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  20. Heady, are you still at the old email add? I keep getting failure notices…

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  21. Yes Mills. Don’t know why that would be.

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  22. Looks like its blocking me- I dont blame it, I would block me too!.

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  23. I’ll have a look tomorrow when I’m back at a computer and try to work out why Mills.

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  24. Thanks. Its seems as if your system thinks Im spam and is bouncing it back. Ham or Spam? Both no doubt!

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  25. Spam fritters takes me back to school dinners. Have sent an email reply Mills.

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  26. I still cant reply to it though. Your filter systems got my IP on a blacklist, I tried from another add to email you and that bounced too.

    Spam, horrible stuff. Especially the fritter, all that fat soaked up in the batter.I remember the song, about spam, spam, egg chips and spam.etc. But horses for courses, some like it spam some like it not.

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  27. Bellerin had a good season according to others.

    We’ve been lucky enough to see inspiring players who’ve had blips related to many things and usually involving an injury play for the Gunners. Happy to speculate that he can hit top levels again.
    I was lucky enough to see his first team full debut (I think) opposite the even then experienced Mane.
    With the recent memory of that run in the cup final against Chelsea whatever the reasons this cherished player can move on with no regrets.

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  28. Always nice to see a striker scoring early and the own goals were also enjoyed by the younger crew.

    Fingers crossed that GJ’s previous understanding with Arteta adds true value to this signing. It is more exciting to have him or Nketiah starting ahead of Lacazette, would’ve been great to keep him as an older hand to come on off the bench but his contract was up. That’s a positive change up top! And fingers crossed for the midfield.
    Is Saliba staying? Will be interesting to see him in the PL.
    I guess Xhaka is staying?

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  29. Jack Wilshere set to become Arsenal U18 head coach, his assistants will be two more former Arsenal youth players, Adam Birchall and Julian Gray

    Mehmet Ali is to step up to coach the U21s having been assistant to Kevin Betsy last season, his assistant will be Max Porte

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  30. Fins I see Hector’s debut for the stiffs, I used to take my boy and Hector was his favourite player.
    Remember he was a winger then, lighting fast and took full backs on for fun. From the moment he joined you could see he was going to make it.
    After the shameful way the fans treated Arsene, Hector’s treatment was the next worse.
    He came straight from Barca to our academy and was a loyal member of the team and squad for years. The way it has ended is another disgusting stain on our support.

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  31. by this time 4 weeks we will have played our opening EPL game of the new season

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  32. And once we have played our first five games the dreaded transfer window will be over.

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  33. Ian we’ve come a long way from the days when a Tottenham supporting cabbie would by themselves simply acknowledge the class of the club and the old gaffer.

    If Levy manages to keep Conte and as the continent melts down that could happen we will see the full fruition of the works from the self serving media people who do not know Football (or much of anything else) as you can’t run a Sporting institution on vibes, bad sorry I mean good PR or from sniffing your own arse-fumes however heavenly that may feel sniffing farts or counting Twitter likes is not Football. God knows we have seen Levy try and fail at that for decades.

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  34. << Levy’s love of Vibing with his mates at the Bleeb is why “sick note” Jack the lad Wilshere retired with two more domestic baubles then any spud player from most peoples lifetimes. Haha!
    That includes the bleebs pin up hero: yes there is a god, and plenty of evidence for it.

    Thank you Jack.
    For the good times.
    And there were many.
    For never giving up.
    For your shared love of what the club stood for (Football!).
    For telling the punters what it is like to play said Football for the Gunners even if the experts media monkeys never had the footballs to just once acknowledge what you were telling them directly, first hand from the pitch.

    Thank you for exposing the frauds on and off the pitch. With simple footballing class. Still a hero for me.

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  35. some very worrying reports re Partey, he has been named in his homeland, as the player under investigation by Met Police over some very serious charges, both very recent and last summer, could be some time, if at all, before he plays football again. He is very unlikely to play unless the Met decide no charges can be brought, and if they do bring charges I can’t see the club play him till any proceedings are concluded in his favor, which could take most of the season if not longer.

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  36. according to his agent, Torreira, has been told he will be part of the Arsenal squad for our USA tour starting this coming week

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  37. AFC being linked with a move for Kante from CFC

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  38. some reports that Leno was not part of our squad yesterday cos a move to Fulham is very much on the horizon

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  39. I wondered if and when Partey would come up in conversation. I have a bad feeling about this but the club will have been aware of the situation for a while but a typical Arsenal scenario.
    Agree with everything said about our Jack a great servant for the club and really wish him well going forward.

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  40. Where did this business about Jesus having a ‘special relationship’ with arteta come from?

    Let us be frank and honest here. He came because he was going nowhere at city and was low on Pep’s pecking order.

    He is not losing any money and may get to play more games, until he cannot cope with arteta’s straight jacket tactics.

    I for one am not impressed by 2 goals against a German 2nd division team during pre-season.

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  41. Ornstein has now linked AFC with a move for Peters-White, as an upgrade at right back/right wingback, not sure if he means upgrade on Tomiyasu or on Cedric, either way another one of Arteta’s signings that needs to be upgraded by another Arteta signings, whats that his arse lickers say, “elite player ID”

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  42. sorry that should be Gibbs-White

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  43. not sure what is wrong with me tonight, it must be the heat, its not gibbs-white its kyle walker-peters

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  44. Walker Peters? he could possibly be a better FB then AMN but I don’t think he’s had performances like AMN on the wrong side in cup winning finals and semifinals. Let along PL motm performances from CM.

    #justmakinganinnocentobservationthatallthevisionaryblaggingarseholesmusthavetheirheadsfirmlywedgedupwherethesundon’tshine…

    JJ it’s a little harsh to say that hoping for more then the worst is unacceptable. I mean can it get any worse then watching your club spunk £120M on Pepe and Partey holy f*ck this is stuff of a peter risdale wet dream which equals a nightmare for the average footy fans but apparently the arseblaggers have been cheerleading this process for years! You could not make it up.

    These frauds cannot ruin the sport even in the trenches there will always be the Football much to the fear of the generals.

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  45. The name of Ridsdale and comparison to us makes me shudder if we keep going like this and don’t make top four then the Kronke cash will stop and player sales will be the only source of funding and they won’t be the squad players they will have to be our best players.

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  46. In the land of hope springs eternal I wonder how reasonable it might be to be excited about an Odegaard/Jesus partnership developing along Ozil/Alexis lines?

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  47. With respect, how can you compare 2 top-class players coached by a top-class manager with 2 rejects, who no one else wanted, coached by an unproven novice?

    Even more, GJ is used to top-class service from the midfield, which can hardly be said to be something he can expect from us.

    You can hope, I suppose, but don’t hold your breath.

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  48. Not much breath to hold these days JJ, but there would be an argument to say we were only able to sign Ozil and Sanchez as they had been rejected by the two top Spanish clubs.
    And if I was to be extra-specially curmudgeonly I might suggest you might have hoped for better than a couple of FA cup wins from a top-class manager and two top-class players.
    But that is not how I choose to remember those years, and not how I hope to enjoy these ones!

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  49. It’s unlikely Tim, but wouldn’t that be nice? jjgsol, it’s not always raining.

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  50. Apparently it is in Birmingham according to Jasper Carrot

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