The worst team in the league had 31 attempts at goal. an all time Arsenal PL record.
We were Shite.
Th-th-th-that’s all folks.
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Positively Arsenal 
My daughter will be 16 in two months time. Admittedly she plays sport at a high level but I was surprised at her comment after the game. ‘I know there are lots of new players that I don’t recognize yet but even so it just doesn’t seem like watching Arsenal. ‘
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I might have gone into too much detail.
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At half time I thought we were lucky to be two goals ahead but enjoyed the fact we were. Expected us to go on and win 4 or 5 nil. In the end I was almost hoping we would concede the third girl as that was the least we deserved. Something is very badly wrong : the players play as if they think are world class, the manager sets them up as if they are relegation candidates.
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I think you were a little bit too complimentary and positive.
I have to say that that I think that the first goal was the worst I have ever seen conceded by us.
It simply beggars belief.
For UE then to say that they had to continue to do it because Watford were getting all long high balls, just makes it worse.
Maybe it would have been better to kick the ball out of play.
Each time it didn’t work the confidence of the team took another blow.
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foreverheady I’m not sure why you expected us to go on and get to 3-0 or 4-0, we’ve not gone 3-0 up in a single league game under Emery, today was our 43th attempt. Negative does not even begin to describe his tactics.
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we are needlessly dull in our approach for no good reason,
if anyone can put forward a good counter argument to that notion I’m willing to listen.
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I suspect that barring some serious and, unknown to the public mitigating factors, Emery will not be a problem much past new year if he doesn’t sort these performances and quickly.
He will soon have what will presumably be the clubs first choice defence, assuming they can gain full fitness, if things don’t improve, well, a penny for Edus thoughts, but performances like that are not acceptable or sustainable.
Was that MF the diamond type thing that scared us so much against Liverpool?
At least we heading for a record, even for us of giving away penalties. Perhaps working on saving a few more pens might help as well
I cannot for the life of me understand why a club with these resources have not been able to handle the very basics of defending for so many years. But this arguably eclipses some shocking away defeats, 8-2, 6-0, 6-1, surrendering 4 goal leads, all the 4s and 5s against Liverpool because this is fuckin Watford who we presented with 31 shots
I don’t want this to become a managerial merry go round club, but emery seriously needs to up his game on the evidence of this, as do the players
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I’m really not impressed by claim we were stuck and couldn’t play long balls because Watford were too strong and would win them all.
A. It ignores obvious truth that for key stretches of match that would still be a damn sight better than what we did do. in fact, I remember one reprieve from pressure when we knocked it long, lost aerial challenge, of course, but at least gained a minute or so’s sweet relief from what had been a long spell of them right on top of us.
B. Seems preposterous to me that a club with our resources should be flat out stuck in that fashion against Watford. Forced to keep playing out even though it was playing straight into their hands, had clearly gone tits up, all the players and the whole team were struggling with it.
The last crazy ten minutes I’m not so pissed about. It definitely wasn’t impressive, but at least had a semblance of logic- game stretched, both sides willing to push on and try get win, two very inexperienced lads out there for us, basketball stuff at times.
The 2-0 up play fecking killed me though. Is it impossible for a non-defensive team to play in a manner befitting that scoreline, in particular with the key idea being, if we concede, don’t let it be a stupid/easy one, and whatever you do don’t let it be as stupid as stupid gets.
We make it look as though it is indeed impossible, with Watford pinning us back in a fashion not too dissimilar to the European champions at their patch where they have been superb for some time. That’s pretty fucking wacky.
My brains are fried by it to extent I’m struggling to picture how to successfully go about the task we were set. How do you play that Watford away when 2-0 up without being pinned into your own half for most part, under massive pressure in possession, especially when you can’t hit it long.
It can’t be half as hard as we made it look, surely. It shouldn’t be very nearly as tough, with a good lead, vs bottom team, as away at the top of the league team when they lead and have you where they want.
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Not inclined to look up Emery’s comments to see if they’re slightly better than reported, the claim we were essentially stuck playing out, even though it was causing us all that grief, because they were too big and strong has me mighty pissed though.
It looked precisely like that- not working but we can’t win long balls so…what can you do- but it really shouldn’t, and more importantly it was still a far better option- clearing lines, trying to organise- than the shite we were playing.
At least vary it, smell what’s happening so to speak, get a grip or try to. I can only think they have been very heavily instructed to persist no matter what’s happening. That seems alarmingly unintelligent, as does the player’s not having enough collective sense to overrule it during the game.
It can’t be fucking right that you are hopelessly stuck against Watford, v poor so far this year, 2-0 down with 45 to go, and have no choice but to stick with something that isn’t working and is offering them massive encouragement they can get back into it simply by exerting easy pressure on us.
Anfield, European champions, is one thing; today something else entirely, much as we made them look much the same sort of challenge.
I thought the sight of the ball being played by Leno to Guendo first half under pressure in front of his box, facing own goal…with teammates not really looking alive to it even though it was surely what we’ve been told to do, all the fucking time, would be the peak of the weirdness, but no.
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Mandy to be fair two consecutive seasons winning the golden glove with two different keepers in 2015 & 2016 was a result of some consistently good defending.
The centre backs are not awful but I’ll stop there before repeating concerns on the midfield make up, squad management and its impact on the pitch.
aubamayang. The longer he plays the more his record as the fastest scoring Arsenal player in the club’s history continues to grow. He’s not the perfect all round player, for me that makes his record and the variation in his finishing that he has shown in spite of the of odd big miss all the more impressive, no need to mention the low chances created as that meme is buzzing after the stats from today’s protagonisation.
though I hope Auba hands over the pens to Lacazette! Or others…even if it does affect his own stats!
And all I can say is: thank you Sven and Arsene hehe!
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Maybe Finsbury, we have had spells of solidity, but those results happened, and they were, and are damaging, others seem to be able to play attacking football, and avoid such regular aberrations, why can’t this team?
But ignoring the past and moving to the present, Sok is not suited to playing out of the back, Gwen would appear at best a work in progress, and Luiz and Xhaka may have their qualities, but last ditch tackles in the area are not always amongst them.
I agree, I don’t think all the centrebacks over the last decade or whatever have been awful, far from it, sadly, in some cases, some very decent defenders have lost confidence over whatever it is that causes our little issues. I am sure, as you say, MF makeup, squad management play their significant role.
But unless some committee have told emery to play out from the back , and have promised him time and patience, and a chance for his first choice defence to bed in, I suspect a club that are reported to be so conscious of stats, will look at some of the appalling numbers revealing themselves, vs the fact they may well have bet the farm on new arrivals, and be ready for some sort of action if it continues in this way, this lot have shown themselves to be rather ruthless.
If this carries on, prepare for Freddie, Arteta, Paddy, or someone I won’t even mention on a family site come Jan, which, in varying degrees will be a shame for a club that has pride in its stability.
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Willim Saliba was at the game today, he has been back at afc in recent days to help his recovery from injury
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Mandy its clear Sokratis is not suited to playing out from the back, he aint an outstanding defender, so why is he in the team ahead of Chambers who surely is better at playing out from the back, after all he was Fulham player of the season last year playing in CM.
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I don’t mean to nitpick Mandy, two seasons in a row is a fairly long period & can be considered a long spell without regular aberrations, no doubt helped by having two world class CBs and good back up and a strong midfield (at times).
But back to today. Hope that UE would make better use of the midfielders in his squad this season compared to last remains for me: a hope. Looking at some of the content buzzing around following the second half collapse today from Unai’s time at Valencia etc. a smaller hope then it was. Think Arsenal went down to nine often ten in some of those big defeats certainly the ones against Bayern occurred after Kozza left the pitch (in each instance, once due to injury), the infamous result against Madrid with Valencia was the other way around: against nine. Yikes!
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< i mean even if there were any big(ish) defeats over those two seasons – it's a consistent spell.
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And very good keepers Finsbury ( not saying Leno isn’t decent btw).dont even get me started on losing WS, smoking in the changing room, attitude, rude about Gerry Peyton, or whatever, always thought he was some keeper, though of course he was replaced by another golden glove winner a couple years later.
But it is hard to claim Arsenal have been a consistently defensively strong team over the last decade or so, they last 3-4 years really have not been great on the goals against, mainly away, this year could be shaping up to be our worst, if things are allowed to continue that is.
Callum Chambers Eduardo…..very good question. He seems decent, solid, reliable, less inclined for rash challenges, kind of what we need many would say. Baffles the hell out of me, I dread to think what it does to Edu
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Hope I am not putting pressure and unrealistic expectations on him, but Rob Holding is getting more Baresi like by the week
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Testing 123.
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There is something about this post-Arsene set up that leaves me speechless.
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For me this is a great concern
Arsenal’s last 12 PL games:
* lost away at Everton 1-0
* won away at Watford 0-1
* lost at home to C/Palace 2-3
* lost away at Wolves 3-1
* lost away at Leicester 3-0
* drew at home to Brighton 1-1
* won away at Burnley 1-3
* won away at Newcastle 0-1
* won at home to Burnley 2-1
* lost away at Liverpool 3-1
* drew at home to Spurs 2-2
* drew away at Watford 2-2
Win 4
Draw 3
Lose 5
Goals for: 16
Goals against: 20
Goal difference: -4
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For me something what immediately bust the myth that Arsenal’s defensive problems pre-date Emery’s arrival is the fact that, yes after the Golden Gloves we had Wenger’s final 2 seasons when things just didn’t seem to click…
Well, things clicked very well at the Emirates as we were one of the PL’s top two toughest teams to beat at home. Our failure was the inability to take that form on the road. Now we look awful both home and away.
And yes Luiz and Sokratis aren’t the best central defenders but they are a great deal better than any of those from teams across the rest of Europe that doesn’t concede on average 19 shots on goal per game.
In this very moment Emery is not trying to overcome problems Arsenal has been battling with for years… Arsenal are trying to overcome problems Emery has been battling with at his three previous clubs.
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Their first looks worse from behind our goal. By looks of it every player may be in our half, with four or five of their players lined up around our box in position to charge at whoever gets ball.
Imagine you could take a time out in football as some other sports. What would be said between manager and players at that moment?
And yet the hope is that players play more or less as though they have just had a time out, with the sense of what to do engrained earlier, through training, experience, understanding of the game.
Can’t compare it to coaching of my amateur football as there wasn’t any, so I don’t know what it’s like to have it drilled into you that you must pass out regardless etc, but I’m sure in this instance the amateur take- this is nuts- would be the right one.
The argument that part of the reason with persisting with something like that is for later games, ie committing to it and getting benefits later on or another time, just didn’t apply.
It wasn’t case that the ball was coming back so quickly from clearing it that we had to revert to passing out or pull players back into half. We didn’t try it enough for that to be case.
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But Mandy the consideration is that the two consecutive seasons of very good defending were within the last 3-5 years.
Coinciding with high league places and multiple victories in the FA Cup!!!!!!!
No one has ever claimed that the club defend like an Italian national team from the 1980’s this past decade. For myself, I preferred watching Italian teams with R.Baggio.
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Anyone remember A fistful of travellers cheques?
“Watford cant play to save their lives”
“I agree”
“Then I dont agree, they just need a new manager”
In truth they were talking Arsenal.
Emery out.
Losing to the Smeagles, LCFC, Wolves, Everton, drawing with the Seaweed, drawing with Twatford, twice throwing the game away against the Spuds.
We are a mid table team. Mediocre. Frightened. Devoid of ideas. Cleared out great players in two years. Without Auba, we would be at the bottom. Whatever the tactics are, they are mediocre in manifestation. Theres no stability. We let a goal in and we crap our pants. As we can see the placebo effect of waving yer arms around and shouting do jack shit. None of us mind a defensive set up, like GG, but that was tight, this is porous. It isnt defensive. Our defence is the worst I can remember in 40 years. But the weird thing is they are good players…
If we dont get CL whose going to come? We now have rivals who are mid table teams, instead of the top two.
Perhaps during the EL final Mesuts comments were right, Emerys not a manager?
Wasting Arsenals time. Wasting your time. Wasting my time. Time is the final currency.
Ian Dury: ” ah what a waste”.
We havent been this poor since 1983-86. But there was still hope in those days.
Emery out.
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“Emery is not trying to overcome problems Arsenal has been battling with for years…Arsenal are trying to overcome problems Emery has been battling with at his three previous clubs.”
Surviving Emery (& his puppemaster) is where we are at.
Thank you Labo.
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Is Emery aware that hes messing everything up? If hes not aware what then?
Emery is the new Rioch?
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Eddie at 7:19pm previous post:
“xhaka also said we were scared to play our game in the second half, that we invited pressure on ourselves”
My take away here is that these players know exactly when something isn’t working, they can actually read the game, but they are not allowed to veer away Emery’s instructions. Emery himself said after Sokratis’ mistake he urged the players to keep passing it out from the back because the Watford players was coming closer and closer. Again for me the Orns came closer because they wanted to exploit the chink in our armour.
This is also Özil’s problem with Emery, Özil is at his best when he is allowed to read the game and play accordingly. With Emery he has to stick to instructions.
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We let in around 35 goals in the league around about then Finsbury? Hard to say if good or bad more modern day context, believe the Invincibles had a goals against of around 17, but perhaps an unusually good team from a different era.
But that 35 would soon go to unchecked to 45 and now two years in a row on 51, and that, as they say is not good enough. This year could be spectacular goals against though I believe it will be corrected one way or another. My fear, they could panic and bring in an ultra defensive manager, but we shall see.
Take your point we are not a defensive team, but there is always a balance to be had somewhere, and we have surely been tipping that balance.
The Italians, was always quite fond of the Tardelli vintage, though he was a bit of a nasty player.
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I’m not even angry anymore. This is what we are now as long as Emery is allowed to stay. Everyone knows it. Whether they want to believe it or not. The players definitely know it. Xhaka essentially said it, but more diplomatically than Emery is capable of managing.
Emery, whatever his qualities may be, is just not suited to coaching at a club like Arsenal. His ideas are stupid. Yes, I, as a humble amateur, feel confident enough to call his ideas stupid. Because I’ve seen it for 16 months and for the longest time expecting that it was a foundation to more, or that I just didn’t understand. I do now. He has no idea what he wants to do. Just a few basic ideas of ‘play it out from the back’, and ‘attack from wide’.
The problem with the first is that we’re not playing out from the back to attack. We go to midfield and then slow down again. All we end up doing is inviting pressure. So it’s high risk, low reward. Wing play is great. I love wing play. Some of the best goals come that way. But not when there’s a black hole in the centre of the park sucking all the joy out of the game.
He’s lost the dressing room, if he ever truly gained it, beyond the willing nature of our players. Emery is not the future. He can only harm the future. Really, he annoys me with his statements, but I don’t hate the guy. I just think he needed to be sacked at the end of last season, and he really ought to be sacked now.
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Is Emery aware that hes messing everything up? If hes not aware what then?
Emery is the new Rioch?
Or indeed Bruce Rioja
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Mandy if you are finding it hard to say that winning the golden glove two consecutive seasons in a row (I have to remind you there was no gap, we are talking about 24 months here!) is good or bad defending, and if you have then shift the margin of measure of a good defence to that of the invincibles I have to point out that if your measure of good defending is a one in a hundred year team that you might then be looking for a little while longer before you see a defence you can describe as “good”!
Three cups in four years? High finishes in the league. That’ll do for me! Especially if you’ve watched Norwich vs City! It’s attacking football. I’m not picky. Really. I’m not!
The PL in the BT billion dollar era is a different league to the one dominated by Utd and Arsenal.
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As Labo highlights the problems on the pitch yesterday have sweet FA to do with the previous team. Or coach. Etc.
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We have conceded 96 shots this season. Bottom of the top 5 European leagues. We’re playing like relegation candidates, only kept higher up the table because of the quality of our attackers.
Last season we were 11th in the league in shots created. This is no outlier. This is who Emery is.
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I don’t get this nonsense of play from the back. We have always done so under Wenger, at least we were not just kicking every goal kicks away. The difference now is that we were dogmatic about it as if that is the only way to play or that there is sanction if you don’t adhere strictly. And worse thing is we were so amateurish about it and sometimes embarrassing.
l said it here before when some were praising the management from the acquisition of David Luis the he is an accident waiting to happen. But i was told he is an upgrade on koscielny because he is good on the ball and a goal threat. Well, the latter seems more correct about him, only that he is a goal threat to arsenal. Someone said that lampard was very smart by taking 8m from us and still managed to give us Luis who will make sure we finish behind them.
well i have heard all through last season how iwobi lacked end product and don’t score enough even though part of his duty was to help the left back defend. Well, we now have pepe with end product and cost much less than iwobi who was an academy waste product. WE WILL HAVE SENSE BY FORCE.
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In truth, Bruce Rioch did not do too badly. Did he not finish 4th?
He was always only a stopgap until AW was available.
I am afraid we have seen nothing in the last year that hints that UE was the right man for the job.
The 22 games unbeaten run last season was a mirage. We did not lead once at half time and were usually as bad as yesterday, in the first half of most of those games. That we did not lose, like yesterday was not because we were so good, but because the opponents could not hit a barn door from 3 feet.
We deserved to lose heavily yesterday and escaped with a lucky draw.
Are the players playing strictly to order, which seems to be the case, as they continued to play it from the back after the first goal, in order to get rid of EU?
I am not sure I really want to watch the next game I can, ie the manure one.
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5th in lge (last day). Lge cup semi( lost) v Villa (on away goals), FAC 3rd rnd (lost) to (then first div)Sheff Utd (1-0)
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Ola lads,
Well to tell you the truth that was at least more entertaining to watch than previous weeks.
We started of well and I couldnt believe that emery wanted to start both Ozil and Ceballos (though suspect he would have played Lacca if fit ahead of him). I was excited pre-match, thought it was a decent line up. Midfield of Ceba, Guen, Xhaka was decent and should have had too much for Watfords middle.
Ceba and Ozil like to play together as they linked very well and i thought Ceba was really good, put a shift in and had good quality on the ball linking play and bringing people in. Ozil seemed rusty but was contributing. Aubamayang took his chances well and i thought the team defended well till Sokratis brian fart (How long till the petitions for Mustafi?) after that we were shocking.
They had chances in the first half but so did we. In the 2nd felt like they brought out their liverpool ringers, I swear it was Firmino and not Capoue that came out in the 2nd half, and the sub they brough on was Mane no? may as well have been.
We gave up any control we had in Midfield in 2nd half and just invited pressure. He left AMN exposed for long periods.
I didnt really agree with the subs, we needed to shore up the right side and someone should have come on just to cover that as that was where the most danger was coming from. Pepe needed to come off and one of Ozil or Ceba had to stay on the pitch. Nelson\ who ever should have been brought on to double up on Delafou.
If the team are scared in certain senarios, it is worrying that the coach seems to be the one instilling the fear!
Anyway looks like the easily pleased “we have got our Arsenal back” brigade are starting to come to terms that they chased their Arsenal away and have to settle for mirages of their Arsenal only to find on closer inspection its full of Cactus ;-)’
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emery was lauded when he came in for getting us fitter as a squad than we have ever been.
Last season seemed like this was accurate because we were coming back and getting results after going behind but towards the end of the season they looked spent.
I dont know its very early in the season but could the team be mentally drained already?
To keep playing the ball from the back for 45mins when it was not working and causing you more problems than it is worth, was there no-one in the team to say “hey
we gonna kick it long and compete or kick it long out of touch just to clear our lines and compete from the throwing”.
To repeat the same thing over and over was pretty brainless, shows a lack of analytical\critical thinking and either shows fatigue or playing to the letter the instructions they have been given by the coach.
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Arsenal are on course to concede double as many shots at goal than to Wenger’s worst ever defensive season.
https://twitter.com/7amkickoff/status/1173291037822832641
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@ LaboGoon would not be surprised if there are some blaming Wenger!
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What’s folks! Hope you all are having a blessed day (apart from Arsenal currents events obviously).
Watched but 15 minutes of the match. When I looked at the stats after i was shocked that Watford has so many shots to our 7. It was like 1 shot every 3 minutes to our 1 shot for every 13 minutes. We are not talking about City or Liverpool here.
My friends, Emery should have been fired around the middle of last season. I have said this before, that I started to have questions when he benched Iwobi (who was playing very well) for the first match against Liverpool. I started to watch closely and Emery confirmed my concerns by benching Ramsey and Ozil and to add insult to injury for the 19 year old Guendouzi, who is simply not ready despite all the hype. Not to mention playing ultra defensive teams against Juggernauts like Huddersfield.
I wish the best for Emery as a man, sure he is very nice, but this is not for him. He seems like he has no idea how he wants to play, changes from game to game, leaves some of the most talented players on the bench (not even on the bench at times), disrespects excellent veteran players by playing immature kids and on
and on. It comes as no surprise to me that the team is all over the place, what else can be expected?
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Tried to post but don’t see the comment.
In a nut shell. Wish Emery the best otherwise but he needs to go now. He is not consistent, does not play our best players, caused us the top 4 by playing defensive teams, would not play Ramsey and Ozil for many matches.
One more thing, I knew something was wrong when we played Liverpool last season (first go) and he benched Iwobi. I know have days this before but this goes to show that he was doing rubbish from jump.
Arsene in!
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I know I have said this before…
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Finsbury, stand to be corrected, but I was under the impression Joe Hart separated our two keepers in winning the Golden Gloves?
But whenever these accolades were, since those days heady days of Golden Gloves, and Cup wins, things have gone a bit south, and defending as a team, I am not talking about individuals here, has surely been part of that? especially when our attack became less potent meaning poor defending became more of an issue.
Goals against do not lie, ours have become consistently worse, out done by rivals, hence several years away from the CL now.
No need for me to mention the good old fashioned physical, energetic pressing, fouling “English” style teams, usually away, who have taken many vital points off us as our team shoots itself in the foot time and time again, along with journeymen cloggers who have a field day against us, but could go the best part of a season without scoring against anyone else. I am sure the likes of Austin and Long were wheeled out just to play our boys. So many points lost , albeit ref aided, sometimes against complete carthorses. Costly, in my view, unnecessarily costly when others found ways to deal with these teams. I would guess such results and an increasing inability to deal with such teams on travels played a part in costing Wenger his job, as I strongly suspect they will do for Emery unless the new signings and returnees can help turn things around.
If a team cannot defend, they need a bloody good attack to make up for it, we have good players , but not always enough in attack to make up for other frailties, as we saw yesterday, and have seen time and time again, at what looks to me an increasing rate.
I struggle to see the team at the end of the Wenger era, and this current team as anything other than poor defensively, poorer than a team of our resources and standing really needs to be.
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gee, I think the players are mentally drained. One of his former players said that he wears players out. The PSG players revolted for crying out loud.
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On the playing from back stuff, I’m convinced it is a different proposition in prem to other leagues, and for Arsenal compared to any other team in league.
Basically, there is no question we have the most lenient refs of major leagues, and this will include contact from behind when trying to win ball as player has body between you and it; then the question of if opponents are allowed extra leeway against us. A resounding yes for me.
The first has to be understood watching the league generally; the second for me is something it is vital all connected with Arsenal understand.
It doesn’t mean don’t ever do it, but it does mean you have to think extra carefully about it, especially in away games, and particularly depending on how the game is going. Also has to be taken into account what players are available and how each one is at the task or in combinations.
I don’t know how many of the times they won ball back yesterday involved fouls or ones that could easily be given as fouls. Quite a lot I’d wager. But it’s known beforehand it will be precisely like that.
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Most of my comments not posting, at least not immediately.
Hoping it’s not because I aint been hard enough on old Emery in recent times (no fear, a few more like yesterday I might be leading the charge!)
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Just adding my 2 cents here.
Liverpool were not so good at defending and bought a big time defender. Maybe Arsene needed that. We had no Torreira under Arsene but Emery only has eyes for Guendouzi. We also have a younger sharper goalie. Then we got David Luiz in, who some think is an upgrade (not I) but Unai must.
We are setting up to defend and we are worse defensively, which is no surprise when our goal is being peppered by the likes of Watford.
At the very least we still had moments of pure beauty under Arsene along with 3 FA Cups IN 4 YEARS. We will be fighting to avoid relegation at the rate we are going.
Arsene in!!!
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Rich, responding to your comment from yesterday about not knowing if a good manager could do better. Bro, I am convinced that you could do better, not joking at all.
Brendan Rogers, Pellegrini and Benitez all deemed to be able to work it out with lesser talent.
I have never seen a worse job at managing at team, not even David Moyes at United.
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