Good afternoon Positives,
Two points less than I was hoping for but on the balance of play between the teams a fair result. I had been hoping for a sharp start from us but it was Palace who came at us in the opening stages and but for some good defending from Shkodran and wayward finishing by Tottie reject Townsend we might have been behind. I thought we resisted well but were far below the required standard once we got the ball over the half way line in the first 45. We could not string two passes together. I think Hector had one shot that was blocked, after which he was hobbling, but Hennessy had a v quiet half.
The first penalty ? We were almost at the half time whistle and our concentration dropped. Panic in the box from a corner for the first and only time all afternoon. Clumsy from Mustafi as he clattered into Coyote but not much he could do about it as the ball was bouncing free.
And then, dear reader, as happens game after game and week after week, we sprung into life after the break and hit then with the old 1-2. If I had any idea why we play football this way and the first and second halves don’t fit I would write it down. I expect Unai would say the same. For the only time n the afternoon we took control of the game for 10 minutes.
Lovely strike from Xhaka then our turn to cause panic in the Palace box before PEA slipped in the second goal from a loose, spinning ball. The Man from Gabon thought a split second faster than his marker and that difference meant his foot go to the ball first. Nine millimetres over the line ? Fine margins but top, top quality finishing.
I expected ghat, having got in front and being in control at the time, we would carry on and get a third but Palace refused to follow the script. The home side surged forward and while Bernd did not have a serious save to make the ball was pinging around the Arsenal penalty box erratically. It was not smooth from us at all. When we did break with the ball and cross the half way line our close control and choice of passes was wayward. At no time did we ever look like adding to our goal tally, which in the end did for us.
Fair play to Hodgson – Palace have one player capable of turning a game on his own and that is Zaha who had given first Hector then Stephan a difficult time, “Get the ball to Willfweed’s feet lads” Woy yelled and lo and behold he did the proverbial trick. Couple of stepovers, Granit backed into the box, slightest of touches and over he goes. Cheating, cheating, cheating bastard. But hey ho. They probably deserved a point. We have sustained a mild setback, nothing more. Re-group, learn, move on.
My Man of the Match is Granit. At times I could see him looking over at Emery during the first half and mouthing silently “OI – BOSS – I – AM – NOT- A – LEFT- BACK”. Despite the Swiss’s obvious discomfort he did a good job on Townsend and, even with Zaha’s theatrics, had a good afternoon in a position that he clearly is not comfortable in. Add to that a superb free kick for the equalizing goal and this week the laurel wreath is yours.
Blackpool midweek and a really attractive contest between Klopp’s men and our lads to kick off next Saturday late afternoon. We shall need all our energy and guile to earn the victory.
Enjoy what is left of Sunday.
Positively Arsenal 
anicoll
Seems very much C in Germany, but they aren’t just using it for clear errors, they are using it regularly for big decisions which they think a ref would benefit from looking at again, with the benefit of extra time, different views,etc.
For instance, early in Hoffenheim’s game this weekend, high boot struck player in shoulder/face. Players surrounded ref, as they do.
Don’t know what ref saw originally nor what he thought, nor what communication was between him and VAR central.
Whatever, he looked at it on pitchside monitor and made his call, a more informed one than can possibly be made first time. He still gets whatever he saw or thought he saw, of course, but by using pitched monitor he gets extra.
That’s what’s killing me with way VAR appears to be being used, and conceived of, differently in trials so far here. There is little or no admittance that extra time to think and different camera views give a referee a better chance of making the right decision.
Pitchside monitor was used twice in final minutes of German cup final as well. Here, I’m not sure it was used after the Liverpool game in early round of FA cup, when there was much complaint about how long it took.
There were two calls in the FA cup final that looked perfect opportunities to use it : could Jones realistically reach ball on the pen, and therefore should it be yellow or red, and a handball in box.
We can presume each time ref got some advice from VAR (not a clear and obvious error, stick with decision) whereas from what I’ve seen in Germany, and for much of world cup, they would have recognised it as a big, close call, one that like most big calls involves an element of subjective decision making, and would then advise, or tell, ref to look at it again on pitched monitor.
The german way is surely increasing chances of making right call, our way is going to be to stick with original call unless it is extremely and nigh on objectively clear (no contact,say, or strikes knee instead of hand) it is an error.
Refs have a better view on pitch and far more expertise than us but I still think it’s valid to ask: are we at home, or the commentators, more likely to say what happened correctly watching it once live or after we have seen various replays of an incident?
I see it as the same principle is true for refs on the pitch, notwithstanding they may have an excellent view first time around. For a red or a pen, if there’s any doubt, they should be using the monitor.
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I think if we could make option C work from the outset then it is preferable for sure. Even if, in my opinion, the WC final was ruined by the VAR decision, the pitchside monitors were successful during the tournament. I doubt any referee would particularly enjoy option a of being simply told they have made an error and to reverse a decision.
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I wasn’t keen on that world cup final pen either, nor the free kick for Griezzman shenanigans.
As it goes, the red for high foot in German game felt marginally more like a (strong) yellow, and later on there was a worse challenge which injured a player but the officials, being human, couldn’t bring themselves to issue two first half reds.
Not to be too philosophical, but like most human law systems the best practice you come up with, from quality rational thinking et al, doesn’t always feel great or just on all individual cases, even if it is the best system overall.
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I don’t know – you lend the Totties a nice grassy football ground while their own patch is being done up and they get it into this state. shocked.
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Book a Tottenham player for diving?
At Home?
Wrote it here many times (conveniently ignored by the Friends Of Mike) before and happy to write it again: sure is a shame we haven’t seen and won’t ever see the relatively friendly Mr. Friend more then twice a season for the Arsenal.
Why is that? *coughs, splutters*
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< book a Tottenham player in the league, we appreciate that the cup games are different for the officials as well as the players (no need to mention Probert's final, you saw the shmuck at work).
Come on City!
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Isn’t Kevin Friend part of the anti Arsenal Trotskyite wrecking clique Fins ?
I shall have to check my notes.
Good game at Wembley – Citeh a level above TH but at 1-0 you never know.
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Eds
Sterling like Kane taking a step up in belief and performance after the WC?
He’s been well managed and rested as a young player at Liverpool, had that flatlining second or third season like Iwobi last year, and has progressed smoothly since then really prospering under Guardiola. Wishing him good luck with the big injuries.
Not sure if Southgate’s anointed no.8 Chambo will recover properly, don’t like his/Sterling’s agent but fair play he snagged up two of the best talents in the land in their age group.
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Andy
All you had to do was read my comments with both eyes.
Intriguing use of the word Trotsky, a favourite smear in certain quarters.
Does that make Hackett a Bolshevik? Yikes!
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And I always enjoys the swerves around the incontrovertible data such as the no. of times we see those outside the ‘Circle of Trust’ in a season.
I bet you look good on the dance floor.
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If Citeh do not get 3 points here Guardiola will resign – and rightly so.
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I’m brilliant on the dance floor Fins
I was asking about Friend though – I thought he had been denounced as a part of the Rileyist/Bukharinite wrecking crew – am I wrong !! Is he one of the ‘good’ referees ?
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ah poor old Kevin Campbell can’t under stand why Arsenal haven’t got more cover for the left back slot, you know the left back slot that currently sees
1st choice Monreal injured
2nd choice Kolasinac injured
3rd choice Maitland-Niles injured
u23 option Osei-Tutu injured
u23 option 2, Bola Injured
awful bad planning from Arsenal and Emery to have to rely on Xhaka, almost as if 5 other options are unavailable.
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Mesut Ozil received seven passes from Torreira and Guendouzi yesterday (4+3), compared to 24 from Xhaka and Torreira against Leicester (15+9). But obviously the problem was pashun.
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I thought Xhaka did rather well overall as a makeshift lb, the biggest problem, we then miss him in MF where he has been doing well with torriera
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tomorrow its Cheltenham Town v Arsenal U21 in the Checktrade trophy
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Torriera and Gwen was a pretty new partnership, one of far too many mitigating factors in that game to go overboard with negativity and doom, as some are doing.
A little frustrating, yes, but injuries. Fatigue, unfamiliarity, a motivated opponent and cheating played roles in that game
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Neville made Carragher look a mug in a little portion of MNF I caught late on.
It was about Spurs and spending. Neville’s argument was that a budget is a budget, and you can only spend what you have.
Carragher’s was that Spurs have to spend more, Pochettino deserves more, things will fall apart if you don’t spend more. With money they earn they must have more to spend.
Neville kept pointing out the gigantic stadium investment, and extra money on top now for it.
Carragher had no logic to fight that with, said it’s not right they can’t/don’t spend more. Pointed to Sissoko’s cost, and Mane being the same. kept bringing up Harry Maguire and saying they should have bought him.
Neville asked what is he advocating if he wants them to spend more than their budget, saying isn’t it right and to be applauded if club’s stick to their budget and do good work for that budget. A club should only be judged on their budget, and the budget is the budget- where haven’t we heard that for a decade before?!! and it still applies now, for all
Neville won hands down, sticking with logic and what seemed a reasonable assessment of facts throughout.
Anyway…where on earth was all this for us? I’m pretty damn sure Neville wouldn’t have fought for us that hard and well (though in fairness he did, at least in latter years, make similar points at times).
Craggier, too, would never have made his argument- manager has not been supplied with enough money; you cannot expect club to succeed unless they have more to spend- in the same way for us. No chance.
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Ah yes, budget, now there’s a word in the modern English game.
Pundits point to Leicester bucking the trend of the monied, to a certain extent they did, with help from certain quarters, but we are now realising what a generous man their owner has been, to the club and community, but they didn’t spend within their means.
I suspect Spurs have had a few very unpleasant wake up calls in recent months which has seriously hit their budgets, and maybe even the owners ability to sell if as reported in some quarters, that’s what he wants. Not easy funding a stadium, though it helps when owners give a team the softest of loans for a partial stadium revamp Mr Carragher, which means all their profits, money from player sales and perhaps more can be invested in players. The north London clubs haven’t had this luxury in a stadium context.
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Ludicrous bollocks from Carragher although he is repeating what almost every pundit say – viz the answer to al footballing problems is to spend more money in the transfer market, and if that does not work spend more money.
God forbid I would ever say anything good about Spurs but they have had, in recent years certainly, an excellent record in bringing through young players who have become first team regulars. Trippier, Kane, Winks, Dier and Davies, and even Alli was bought for peanuts as an 18 year old from MKDons. In contrast some of their expensive signings, eg Janssen, Sissoko, Moura and Lamela have been, to use the technical footballing term, consistently fucking shite.
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Aye, Carragher looked daft. Resorted to the old trick of taking one club’s bad buy-Sissoko- and comparing him to another club’s good buy- Mane.
That, and pointing to a good buy one club made- Maguire- and using that against another club.
Familiar stuff from those interminable arguments over Wenger’s last years.
Always said the lousiest part in the way our finances were mostly ignored in assessing us against far bigger spenders was that occasionally pundits et al would show they knew exactly the relationship between spending and success (and fair expectations).
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Just after i posted last night I found this peach of an article, with the headline ‘Tottenham lack the spending power to get the better of truly big teams like City’, and this classic line int the article
‘But that’s the frustration. Premier League football isn’t best fought with balanced books. Not at the top, not at the middle, not at the bottom. Look at City – their match-winner here cost £60m in a summer when Spurs didn’t spend a penny.’
Snap the writer up ,prem clubs, this genius is clearly wasted as a journalist and could work wonders as a sporting director for any club. Well, he could probably do a role at City, as long as there were others choosing who to spend the cash on
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6331109/The-grass-starting-look-greener-Mauricio-Pochettino.html
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On that Maguire theme, any players in recent times you’ve liked look of and thought we should go after who have subsequently moved on for fees well within our budget and turned into very good players who are now almost certainly outside our budget?
Or in other words players you’re a bit miffed we didn’t buy when we could have?
It’s a provisional miffedness, of course, because we never know the reality behind transfers, but still.
Kante’s a big one, though slightly different, as I’d heard the name but not seen him in France. Just feels like he was so good so soon at Leicester the talent must have been there for our French scouts to see. (think I heard mention, maybe from Wenger, that Leicester moved too quickly)
Joe Gomez a player who spectacularly caught eye in under 17 euro’s and who i hoped we’d get, even heard claim he was Arsenal fan.
Almost blasphemy now but I was very impressed at time with how Alli bossed Utd’s midfielder’s in that 4-0 win for Mk dons against them.
With most, to be honest, there have been stories which suggest we couldn’t have got them anyway. Kompany we apparently tried for at least once in his youth, but he wanted a different path.
I remember liking both Manolas at Olympiakos and Rudiger at Stuttgart, but of course there have been plenty I thought could be good for us who have subsequently not kicked on.
I thought Gonalons could be excellent for us in midfield. Thought Patrick Roberts and Solanke would be prem stars by now. Carvalho or Danilo from Portugal back when I was convinced midfield power was needed.
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Kieran Trippier:
145 apps for Burnley before his move to THFC
Eric Dier:
Two seasons and 27 apps. for Sorting Lisbon, that team we just played in case anyone doesn’t think their football games are significant. His self-edited wikipedia pages describes his “breakthrough at Sporting”.
These are the facts (Data from the Gospel of Wiki)
The team that have successfully been blooding young talent at the top level of late have been Liverpool. Three young defenders brought through though I think Robertson might have made his breakthrough elsewhere.
For Arsenal:
Nelson, Eddie, Maitland Niles, and others on the edge of the first team squad at the moment, Bellerin and Iwobi in the team, Ramsey made his breakthrough at Cardiff but had to be rebuilt at the Arsenal so i count him. Looks like the Arsenal are doing better then Tottenham in this regard.
They’re also doing better in the table then Tottenham after the neighbour’s best start in the league since the 1960’s.
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Alli’s a half decent second striker (not a ten) but he doesn’t really score that many goals and he does sweet FA else although he is beloved by the sweet FA.
Considering how comically overhyped this footballer is his agent can also claim to have done a fine job.
He ‘ain’t exactly Teddy Sheringham, is he? I don’t think he even comes close. Haven’t seen anything to suggest he’ll hit such levels to date.
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Fins
Hope you won’t take too much offence, (though there’s certainly a bit of reproach and maybe condescension- i’ve a good idea about all their players history, where they are in the league, the fact that, deliciously, and despite all their cheating, their best team in decades has won nowt- or something in how you react to my occasionally giving Spurs some credit), but…do you ever allow yourself to think about scenarios like Ramsey joined them at 17 instead of us?
Or, say, Kane was one of our own all the way through, with 100 goals or whatever in last three years for us. Welbeck to them from Utd? Etc *
Even after allowing for their essential Spursiness, poisoning the good character of said players, or our Arsenalness ensuring players become the best possible versions of themselves, still… such mental exercises touch upon the inherent absurdity of being a devoted football fan.
I personally don’t think it does any harm to occasionally go there. There can be a bit of humour in it, and it still seems to leave plenty of room to love our lot and think Spurs are a bunch of gits.
Admittedly, it may be the one thing a distant fan can’t understand as a local one does : I’ve never had to mix with them in the flesh and that must bring a different dynamic to it all.
*I do refuse to imagine a world where Ashely Young or Alli are wearing our shirt, doing what they do, though
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Rich how on earth would I take offence?
Less then 24 hours after basking in the reflection of Young Pep the famous Guardiola’s description of Tottenham as the most “physical team in europe” (that is not a failed smear in the absence of any data it is a citation!):
ie. the biggest collection of fouling/diving cheats out there – who don’t get very far with less ‘sympathetic’ officials (not an opinion, just an observation – how would AFC have been castigated for failing to get out of a group with Munich or PSG…).
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It is very amusing watching the Spud faces as they are properly reffed in Europe. Dumbfounded they are. It’s like they are saying ‘but we get away with this every week’
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I thought Trippier was a little Spud – foolish me. The point stands though – the neighbours have brought through a lot of young players, and Carragher’s notion that they should or need to spend, spend spend does not stand up. Good managers at al levels use what the players they have to best effect and really good managers develop and improve players. Pochettino may or may not be moaning about lack of transfer activity but he has plenty of good players available and, certainly last night when the chips were down, I don’t think he got he best out of them.
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They have spent a lot of money, but mainly when they have sold big. Wasted a lot of the Bale money. We’ll see how they spend the Kane money soon
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I’ve been writing this all season long and I can repeat it if required?
Liverpool deserve plenty of credit for bring through some young players and playing good football (less & less gegenpressing…). And they’ve shown their good football in Europe too!
Tottenham who play crap football rely upon the goodwill and bias of the officials in the PL – please refer to Home & Away performances from this team usually stunted under MP in N5, think the 2-2 was their best game without copious home tilting? i don;t give them the same praise regarding the Football. Simple to expect a shoddy performance last night from them given the offiicial who hasn’t exhibited silly indefensible bias in his matches over the last decade (quite a lot of data there).
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Last time we stuffed the Totties at home, this time last year when we won 2-0 -wasn’t it them whining about dodgy refereeing Fins ?
I put it down to them being bad sports, no concept of swings + roundabouts
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The hilarious thing about Pochettino complaining about poor refereeing in the NLD was that the man with the whistle was Mike ‘Glory Glory’ Dean.
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And his performance was positively predictable on his first or second return to N5 (not as 4th official) after his screeching “lamntation” in SW London. So we predicted it! After the long long delay of him showing his face in front of the Home fans can’t imagine why Mike had to protect his mate Mike so much *coughs splutters* perhaps he was just trying to balance the books? But given his record that latter explanation is hisghly unlikely.
And the following return to form (with pens for and many against when AFC are at Home) after the ‘Rehab’ was indeed predicted. Here.
Cheers.
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Bad sport is when you have officials who exhibit over a decade ling record of bias.
Thanks.
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markyb
I’ve enjoyed it a lot seeing them with normal refs in Europe. Reminds me a bit of Utd first year after Ferguson.
Can see exactly why Guardiola said they were one of the most physical teams he has faced. Extraordinary how far they push it.
I can’t believe there’s not a lot of careful study behind it, given how well calculated much of it is- Lamela’s little kicks and slaps in the back of Mendy for instance.
I think Friend one of the better refs, but let a good number of yellows go last night and I wasn’t even watching game that closely.
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Could be extremely inexperienced team for that Checkatrade game tonight- Willock, Pleg, nketiah, Smith-Rowe apparently in first team training. Think most played in that 1st Checkatrade game. Maitland-niles also trained.
Always likely with timing of Blackpool game. really hope we see a good bit of those youngster’s tomorrow. Fully accept going strong in Europa till qualification secure but we need to keep pushing hard to give these youngsters first team opps where possible.
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Rich
Mr.Friend’s style of referring might not be completely to our tastes but at least he has a consistent style and appears from a more limited sets of data from studies elsewhere to be relatively balanced with any errors. I feel it is not an abuse of the English language to describe him as a referee, and am happy to respect him even if i wince at one or two of his calls in games as he isn’t an undeniable bungler. And I don’t expect to see him more then twice or thrice a season.
Mr. Friend is positively friendly relative to his peers. *touch wood*
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Steady on Fins – the dark side beckons
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2m2 minutes ago
📝 The teams are in! Here’s how #AFCU21 line up against @CTFCofficial in the @CheckatradeTrpy this evening…
Starting XI: Iliev, Sheaf, Medley, Ballard, Bola, Gilmour, Olayinka, Burton, Coyle, Saka, John-Jules
Subs: Hein, Bramall, Thompson, Smith, Zelalem, Tormey, Balogun
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5m5 minutes ago
Goal for the hosts. Burton is shown a red card after fouling Maddox – and Clements converted the resulting free-kick
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Amazing how some of the most permissive refs on planet can’t fricking wait to brandish reds to our youth players.
Gilmour went last time out for a little Beckhamesque flick after being smashed, Burton gone now 6 mins in. Also remember T Robinson, M Bola and Nelson getting reds, two of them in first half, in youth cup games.
Hayden ten mins into a derby with Spurs when could easily have gone yellow, with same ref letting Chelsea keeper stay on, fortnight later, when he wiped out our player centrally with a tap in and no one in sight
All games where opponents permitted lot of liberties roughing us up.
Not seen tonight but, if consistent with what I’ve seen often, arseholes.
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I enjoyed the thread I had here a few years ago with Eddy speculating which of the two promising young talents Sterling and Chamberlain would fulfill more of their potential.
Sterling was well managed by Rodgers at Liverpool, no long runs in the team before he hit 20, a flat season after his big move a la Iwobi and steady progress since with no big injuries like Chambo who I conversely think was poorly managed by Klopp at Liverpool: asking a player with dodgy knee to press hard whilst not training him to use the stronger leg (or none!) in such instances.
And Sterling played well again last night alongside Mahrez. Like he did in n5 earlier this season. I don’t think anyone here has some kind of a problem praising non AFC footballers. Likewise I wouldn’t expect that others praise a collection of diving clogging cheats. Is that reasonable? I expect you all know the answer.
Mahrez sparkled for LCFC on his first visit to n5 before Kante arrived from Caen when they were nearly relegated, the crowd were cooing.
Never heard football fans praise Alli like that. The odd finish, but, he’s no Sheringham!
It was the performance by Alli opposite a one legged Koscielny that finally convinced me that his agent has great Sports Communication skills. Fair play. Credit where it is due.
But going back to good footballers, Kante was wanted but the rumour was AFC were gazumped or simply out bid by Chelsea? Perhaps it is true that AFC went in a season too late, but we all know the club’s MO with agents and transfers even though this is still a mystery to the blaggers and plundits. Kante or a pre-retirement Flamini, it’s not hard to understand some frustration out there, not forgetting Flamini’s lung busting amazing performance as a CDM back in 07/08 – I expect that those who of late wrote elsewhere that AFC never signed a defensive midfielder since Gilberto Silva have been headbutting those many bottles of spirits for far too long now.
But on further reflection Is Kante less comfortable in the more attacking system adopted this year by Sarri?
And thinking about it even more I think I’d prefer to see Torreira who has years and years ahead of him line up for the Arsenal then Kante. After the agonising wait for a replacement for Coquelin in the squad, all familiar to those of us acknowledging the clubs mysterious “values” I’m going to prematurely speculate that AFC now have the best player in that position in the league.
They were planning a complete rebuild and given the Uruguayan’s age I’m very happy the club got him. Hopefully he won’t be in the last year of his contract three seasons down the line…and will have had a long and productive partnership in CM with Aaron Ramsey. We all have our dreams.
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10m10 minutes ago
Cheltenham have a golden chance to double their lead, but Ballard was there to make a stunning goal line clearance 🙌
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Sheaf off after 28. Bollocks. Can only presume injury and gutted if that’s case.
Must be hard mentally to keep getting injured so soon after returning.
I like him a lot as a player, but chances of him making it here must already have been reduced by all the missed time last few years.
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7m7 minutes ago
Our first change of the afternoon…
⬅️ Sheaf
➡️ Smith
🔴 1-0 🔵 (28)
#AFCU21
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4m4 minutes ago
Goal for @CTFCofficial. Boyle climbs high at the back post to double the hosts advantage.
🔴 2-0 🔵 (32)
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