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The Diminishing Returns Of Loyalty

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One of the richest ironies underpinning the world’s wealthiest sport is the way its overall value has risen in apparent equal proportion to the diminution of the loyalty that was once associated with it.

A casual glance across the footballing horizon will reveal seemingly limitless affluence.  Clubs that really ought to have gone bust by now appear to be flourishing in direct contravention of the usual rules of finance and no matter how flimsy the foundations, success continues to breed success, making trophy-orphans of any institution naive enough to worry about the pennies.

There’s little to be gained in running the rule over the precariousness of Manchester United’s financial position.  It’s well known and widely recognised that for as long as they can continue to squeeze global sponsorship dry, they will continue to behave with some semblance of ‘normality’ as a routine championship again comes their way, floated on a tidal wave of leveraged commercial deals that leave everyone else stranded, looking like mugs, in their wake.   The truth is, a long-awaited collapse may never come.  For as long as there are sovereign-sized wealth funds looking for a home, Utd’s commercial journey will as likely as not continue, in one form or another, even if the value of its footballing achievements is diminished by the relentless hawking of assets that are now sweating so hard they can hardly see where to tout themselves next.

And if it’s not Man u, then step up to the gold plate any number of oil or oligarch funded enterprises for a simple variation on a theme.  Whether Financial Fair Play will cut any diamonds is hard to call.  Whether the oil eventually runs out, or the financial bubble within which football currently operates eventually bursts is also up for debate.  If not this year, maybe next.  Or the next decade.  If anything does change, how will we then revisit the on-field achievements of these financially bloated monsters.  How do observers value the achievements of Scotland’s Rangers Football Club now that that former bastion has been brought to heel?  Can the recently re-written history of Lance Armstrong’s contribution to sporting shame deliver any lessons?

To some extent, it almost doesn’t matter.

The fact is that Man u have this season won the championship at a canter, barely breaking sweat.  All the games we have together anticipated, watched and talked and written about all counted, in the end, for very little.

When Arsenal played host to the new champions on Sunday, there was something fairly abhorrent about the whole tawdry affair.  Even beyond the self-evident hollowness of the guard of honour – itself a PR exercise which would only have garnered wider comment had there been a failure to deliver it.

Sure, the current banner boy for vacuous disloyalty, Robin Van Persie, tucked away a customary united penalty and Theo later tucked that same symbol of outrageous greed’s shirt into his own shorts.

But what, exactly, was on display, this long sad day.

Pretty much everything except the one thing upon which the bulk of human endeavour rests.

Loyalty.

The tragedy of modern football is that the one thing it can no longer afford in any meaningful measure is the loyalty that built it up, from its muddy working class roots into the financial behemoth that it is today.

Loyalty has been driven from the highest echelons of the game and is now as relevant and outdated as the bathing machines that once lined the Victorian beaches of England. Once considered a seaside ‘must-have’, they were quietly, eventually relegated to the back of the beaches and, where they exist at all, are now to be found as beach huts.

Where loyalty is still to be found in football, it too has been relegated to a place on the sidelines, little more than a nice idea living in a distant memory.

It’s not just the players for whom the value – or even the meaning – of loyalty has evaporated in the quest to line their trousers.  Few clubs show huge patience with players whose form has diminished through age, injury or other cause.  Man u, ironically, are possibly the most ruthless when it comes to getting rid of anyone not performing to the required standards.  And with super-irony, Arsenal’s treatment of van Persie on the treatment table now stands out like the sore thumb our memory of him has inevitably become.  Because we and the club DID stay loyal to him, not for months but for years and years in the hope he would again come good.  But he went bad and then simply went, in a flurry of lies and misinformation.  In his particular case, loyalty and integrity were two hostages to fortune he was simply not prepared to save.

The evaporation of loyalty as one of the game’s fundamental building blocks is also leaving its mark on the modern day fan.

Time was that only fans of your opponents would truly wade in to crucify your own club’s players yet our own fans can hardly get to the front of the queue of criticism quickly enough to lay into the latest error of judgement from players who literally sweat bucket loads on our behalf, week in, week out.

Loyalty, far from being a precious commodity, has simply ceased to exist, for the most part.  Or at least, this will almost certainly be the case within the next one, two or three years.  The disposability of the modern world has embedded itself within the game we all once loved so dearly.  That a blogsite such as Positively Arsenal exists as it does in the sea of angst and anger surrounded by the critical masses – that it simply looks so out of place for so many followers – is as tragic as it is telling.  Some blame the role of social media in all this but whilst the amplification this brings to the ignorant and informed in equal measure can hardly be denied, simply shooting the messenger is unlikely to change all that much.

Soon, back at club level, it won’t be about ‘building for the future’ but simply about who has secured the best, most lucrative sponsorship deals, the cleanest credit lines, the most generous sovereign-scale benefactor.  Those will become the criteria upon which modern ‘fans’ will judge the success of tomorrow’s clubs.

That so many Arsenal fans seemingly reject the current approach of The Arsenal in attempting to build, sustainably, for the future, could well be the final straw that kills off this brave old world.

The off-pitch emptiness of passion and spirit on display at the Emirates on Sunday, the news of Theo’s shocking shirt swap, the mindless media lauding of the Champions – and their way of doing things – all spell, potentially, the end of what Arsenal have been trying to do.  The vicious turning, by ‘fans’ on perceived weak links – Gervinho, Bacary, take your pick – the complete absence on the part of so many fans of any kind of loyalty for players old and new – spells a new kind of danger for the club.

Nothing, short of winning the league next season, is likely to prevent Arsene from jacking it all in.  I know he’ll give it everything – and most of us reading this will be with him every step of the way – but the odds will stacked against him, one way or another.  Sure, he’s fought the good fight against footballing foe on the pitch and the media off it.  But taking on the third force – that of his own fanbase – will very likely be Arsene’s very own Bridge Too Far.  He simply will not bother and who could – or would – blame him.

With the finest coach in world football gone – and with his lean frame carrying with it the departure of one of the club’s most precious assets – it would seem unlikely that Kronke would do much more than sell out to Usmanov or at least attempt to get some kind of auction going in order to maximise his return.

And with that we will join the mega-clubs and success will be judged on the size of our wealth and our ability to sign this year’s Robin van Persie.  An exciting future?  Who knows – the fans of City and Chelsea don’t look too thrilled these days?  Exactly how proud are they of their respective clubs?  Winning zilch despite the mightiest of investments?  Perhaps if anything, they are feeling a tad embarrassed at their current failures?  All that money spent and they are still, well, rubbish.

And what of us, the Arsenal fans – where will we all be, the season after next?

Will we ever be quite as bothered?

I undertook an official, self-guided, tour of Emirates stadium the day after the Manure draw and it included a visit to the club’s museum.  I’d heartily recommend both, but it is a trip of two halves, if ever.  The first half of the afternoon inside one of the most famous stadiums in world football, spent visiting the players’ changing rooms, medical facilities, press rooms, going pitchside, checking out Diamond Club level and all the rest of it.  None of which will likely change all that much regardless of who owns the club or how it ends up being run.  All of it beyond impressive.  But sitting on Arsene’s actual pitchside seat was a remarkable experience.  He is so close to his own fans he can hear absolutely everything.  And always could.

The visit to the museum shortly afterwards was possibly the most revealing of my activities of the preceding two days as exhibit after exhibit of Arsenal greats – players and managers – bore testament to a century and more of the incredible human achievements and results borne from the one thing that is today in such grievously short supply from so many sides.

Loyalty.

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  1. That’s brilliant Andrew.

    The kind of post I would love to have written (sadly it would be garbled crap if dared to try), you’ve expressed much the same fears this old fart has. Money has a habit of ruining everything.

    I worry more about what will happen to Arsenal when AW eventually walks away, with each passing season.

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  2. I am waiting for a bus to come along.

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  3. Brilliant AA. Well timed too, I see the reports of the Spanish judge ignoring WADAs requests and choosing to burn all the bloody evidence in the Dr.Feelgood trial have not pleased Andy Murray, & many other hopefully clean athletes. It is a fairly tragic situation.
    Thank the footballing gods for Arsene at AFC. He’s a stubborn old goat, & I hope he stays on. But if he doesn’t, as we have mentioned previously all the ‘experts’ seem to have missed that he has already laid the foundation for the next manager. The twits. Too busy staring into the depths of their Arsenals?
    And why do they ignore the soap opera melodrama in the boardroom that has lasted eons. The guy who brought Bergkamp brought in a blocker upon his deathbed to, well, block Jabba. No surprises then that Jabba was jibbering right after the retarded PSG rumours came out of the ‘PSG camp’, yeah right. The same old dribble, you don’t need to see the quotes. Can’t believe some people wrote that it was from AW’s agent. Poor form, that is.

    I do believe the template model I mention at the end of yesterday’s post is a good guide, I hope AW for all his minor flaws (heh!) stays on. Tapie didn’t scare him, and Bernies toupe makes Stans look comfortable.* But yes, he needs support.

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  4. Sav from Australia's avatar

    Simply superb writing. Your words have a way of flowing that make your points all the more moving. The picture you paint of the transformation of football seems indicative of all human society. At this crucial stage of technological and social development, the finest human qualities like loyalty seem to be flushed down the toilet of big business and consumerism.

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  5. What idiot suggested that it was Arsenes agent Finsbury?
    Not some fucking blogger who will be taken seriously I hope?

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  6. Essential reading for all gooners.

    Mammon is the great destroyer. Football is just another product in the entertainment industry. Without our footballing values we will simply become just another piece of disposable waste swept up on the landfill of time.

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  7. oh my god i can not stop laughing at mourinho and his arselicking to english teams and media. what a fuckn bimbo. can any of you imagine wenger saying ” im not loved here, some of you hate me, some of you in this room, i will go to france where they love me” …is this crying pansy the special one people talk about ?

    a23 oh yes man…not as much painful as angry and furious..and they were the best we ever had….lol…yet our fans were indifferent when the youngsters reached qf and sf.

    arsenal andrew very realistic and painful article. the truth is wenger owned this league and had it not been for illegal money being pumped in this league, the premiership would have been a matter between him and ferguson and i am confident that wenger’s methods would have stopped the united winning it all all the time. the cities and chelseas not only fucked up arsenal and wenger, they are also clueless and dont know how to run football clubs.

    however……i will not blame the developments of football, or the existance of dodgy characters in the system, cause it is not something we as fans can influence in any way. thats for the regulatory authorities. the fans of arsenal though? …hmmmmm…can i blame them for their lack of foresight and for their lack of faith and support to what their club was/is doing?

    the fans never understood that was has been happening ever since 2006 has been done with a view to 10, 15, 20 and 30 years time. youve got to start from somewhere, and its not the manager;s fault that arsenal was not set up as a world class football club before him. it is also ridiculous to expect that you will become a real madrid or a milan within 7 years from building your new stadium.

    the arsenal fan , who moans about the romance of winning titles as if this is the sole scope of a football club, proved to be not romantic enough when it came to what his club was building. from romantic he became cynic. and while in cynic mode he blames the club for being technocratic and not romantic enough…. in other words…lunatics who dont know what they want cause they are confused.

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  8. On reflection, values alone won’t cut it. If a football club is not run sensibly, like any business it will become bust sooner or later. All bubbles eventually go splat. There is no infinitely virtuous source of wealth in this world. The real estate bubble should have taught us that much. I predict the BPL will piss away the £1.5 Billion of TV money that is coming its way just as it did the much greater sum before. Greed vs Waste, the universal dialectic. We just have to adapt.

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  9. Andrew you are a class act,if you were a blonde with long legs and a dirty laugh you’d be in danger of being asked out for a romantic meal at a berni-inn followed by Tia-Maria’s & Tizers at my local.

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  10. if arsenal becomes another chelsea (should usmanov take over in the next 2 -3 years) it will be the fans fault. If arsenal becomes another everton/newcastle/liverpool ( should wenger is driven out) it will again be the fans fault.

    the most correct stance so far has been held by one peter hillwood. ” oh shut up you silly people, wenger is the boss, he do what he wants”.

    fns are notonly the ones in ste stadium booing or marching with their black bin bags. fans are also in the web, making blogs, creating “debates” ….in their romantic capacity always… dividing the fans, creitisising without understanding or holding all the facts…creating rumours….creating ill atmosphere..attacking our players..the manager.

    here we had a boy who had his leg smashed in pieces. that boy spent a year out in a psychological nightmare, he came back. has given his all, is still only 22 or 23 whatever and the FANS abuse him when he makes a bad pass. why should wenger work and give pleasure to such “fans” ..fuck em….

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  11. George, er, no idea!

    Can you still get Tizer? *INBSF*

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  12. Great piece there AA.
    For me the cycle of cynicism is petering away by the second.
    I’m feeling so much more optimistic about the Arse that nothing numbnuts like Theo can do will make me lose faith…
    Life carries on with the same formula…
    “the majority usually know nothing worth believing in”.

    Arsenal is a club guided for the most part by LEADERS..
    Principled beings that the wisest of fans & moneybags willingly follow, openly or otherwise.
    The highest strata of loyalty piss on currency all day
    In this futile transience, inner growth feeds off quality for its “continuity”
    Why f**kin’ bother with the hankerings of the clueless…with or without AW?

    Enjoy the spectacle while it lasts..faithfully.
    RASERS.

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  13. corr: Arsenal is a club guided for the most part by PRINCIPLE.
    Via principled leaders that the wisest of fans & moneybags willingly follow, openly or otherwise.

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  14. i would just like to quote these few lines from today’s arseblog. arseblog is officially linked with the club and as such carries some fan influence and is read by thousands.

    “Ultimately though, whatever happens will fall on Stan. If we invest well this summer it gives him some breathing room. If we don’t, even if it’s the manager’s decision to hoard the gold under his mattress, the buck will stop with him because he is, after all, the majority shareholder of the club and as such should have sufficient influence to make one of his employees improve his team.”

    1st he is suggesting that arsenal not spending for world class players is purely wenger’s decission and that the majority shareholder should INFLUENCE him into spending it. Hmmmm. I dont see any recognition as to the fact that wenger is not the one who decides on the team;s budget. If the budget given to him is 15m per year and the rest to be made out of player sales then we cant exactly influence wenger to go and spend the 25 or 35m on one single player. and its not like you can get 2 or 3 world class winning players for 30 million. can you?

    2ndly he is suggesting that the improvement of the team is purely a matter of the manager. Im sorry but the improvement of the team goes in tandem with what the club;s target and objectives are. Has any of you seen or heard of any clear instructions as to what the targets are? thought so…..

    does arseblog and his readers really think that wenger and arsenal with their 15m budget per summer were ever going to target the titles against teams who start their summers with a budget of 60m and above? see how thick we are as fans ? see now?

    3dly, is there any point in spending now when the players around you are all richer and can spend much more than you? youd be a right idiot going head to head against them now. so you shut up, you lay low, you let this phase end and you prepare to take advantage of openings and cycles.

    and who told the fans that kronke is interested in losing money just to please some cretins on the stands? spend his own money? from his own pockets? for arsenal? why? why should he do that when the organisation “arsenal” shows the ability to manage itself brilliantly?

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  15. the reply of the modern arsenal fan to all of that is ” but we are arsenal we shoudl be winning titles, thats what football clubs to. win stuff”

    and i ask ….WHO IS BEING CHILDISH ?

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  16. Thought provoking Andrew.

    There has been a number of articles considering loyalty over the past few days, provoked by the return of Robin to the Emirates and what that entailed.

    Well written and persuasive as most are I am not so sure. Yes, yes the temptations are greater, the modern footballer much more likely to contemplate joining a club in Italy (a foreign country I an Rush says!) than sticking close to the eel and mash shop he was born above. And of course 20 years ago the only footballer with an agent was Gazza. Even so ………………….

    We talk about loyalty and bemoan the apparent absence of the commodity among modern footballers, in the past decade, but I wonder whether the charge has a factual or empirical basis.

    Has the human characteristic of “loyalty” altered in the past 10 years say ? I can see no reason why it would. As a species we have a notion, individually, of what constitutes loyalty.

    Perhaps then it is our perception of loyalty that has altered, what we recognise as evidence of the characteristic ?

    Now don’t get me wrong, clearly footballers do move on, lured to Arsenal and away from Arsenal for blatantly financial reasons. We decry their lack of loyalty, when they leave. When they arrive clearly they have moved to our club for purely football reasons, and their motives are pure. Show me a very wealthy employee who is offered the chance to double his salary for the same job with a firm up the road, and turns that offer down, and I will show you my pet unicorn. That is however not the issue.

    What I am getting at is however that loyalty is not a one way street. In the “good old days” that we look back on fondly the notion of loyalty was double edged. In the good old days the club sold players regularly against their wishes, as a result of a perceived lack of form, because we could not rest the cash on offer, following injury, and because their face no longer fitted with the new regime. Did Rocky want to join Leeds ? Why was Limpar sold ? Paul Vaessen – here today – dead tomorrow. There was damn all loyalty from the club to the player then. I cannot recall, as a fan, being remotely bothered about it. It is just the way things were.

    Since Bosman however the days of footballers being treated like inert commodities to be bought and sold at the whim of an employer is over.

    There were good players who chose to leave Brady, Stapleton, Charlie George, and Kennedy who were sold. Arguably some against the clubs wishes as in Liam and Frank’s case, they went for the higher wages elsewhere, no argument. Mutual satisfaction led to the exit of Charlie and Ray. I can’t ever recall Kennedy getting stick for the cascade of honours he won on Merseyside when he turned up back at Highbury. Liam is revered. Charlie likewise. Frank – well I don’t recall much abuse and the ManYoo side he joined were not much better than us. Loyalty was always therefore wrapped in £, for the player and for the club.

    So my take is that footballers are no more loyal, or disloyal, than they ever have been or are likely ever to be. Their capacity to determine their own futures has improved, and they have taken advantage of it. To repeat the earlier comment. I am not bothered about it. It is just the way things are.

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  17. Show Me the Money is the title of a recent piece by the SwissRamble (http://tiny.cc/8zjeww) where he did a review of the 2011-12 audited financial statements of all the Premier League clubs and in the case of Arsenal made the following observation tucked away in a sentence:
    “….though they did have a small negative cash flow after financing in 2011/12 of £6.6 million.”

    A freakin negative cash flow, despite the glowing profits, the huge stack of cash that is supposedly there to be spent. Yet even the Swiss Ramble felt deprived that the club didn’t blow a wad on signing some players to improve the squad.

    Yet it is the same Swiss ramble who observed earlier that:
    “… turnover is vanity, profit is sanity, but cash is king. The main reason that football clubs like Portsmouth fail is cash flow problems. It does not matter how large your revenue is (or your profits are), if you do not have the cash to pay your players, suppliers or the taxman, then you are going to crash into the rocks.”

    Show Me the Money indeed.

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  18. very nice anicol. with your permission i would just add that loyalty is exercised without expecting a return. its a feeling of purity and it is felt when you are convinced. when your mind is a tornado of ifs and doubts ( created by cynics) its difficult to show faith, belief or be loyal.

    also loyalty is about believing in what you do. wenger is not loyal to arsenal cause he grew up with arsenal flags in his room. he is loyal because he is a serious professional and because he believes in his work and wants to see it through. especially to the people who allowed him the platform to work his ideas and methods.

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  19. lol shotta..the common people think that whatever money a company makes is there to be spent. the fact that the company must secure cash reserves for difficult momments doesnt bother them at all.

    i think they have difficulty accepting that arsenal is running itself like a proper normal business. they want arsenal football club to operate within the artificial bubble everybody else operates in.

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  20. Fair point h13 – from what Arsene says about his own contract negotiations with the club over the years he is a man who has very clear ideas about his own worth. He has no doubts.

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  21. out of the 60,000 that go to our ground…is there not 1? one person? to hold a banner with the words ” piss off you fat uzbeki criminal” ?

    and then we wonder why we are easy targets for the media?

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  22. Mourinho and Falcao a done deal apparently.

    I’m really looking forward to Arsene schooling Mourinho and others the Arsenal style.

    I know the next three matches are much more important than thinking about next season for now. But it is a mouth watering prospect that Arsenal will finally show the world the way it should be done in the next few years.

    I believe.

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  23. “So my take is that footballers are no more loyal, or disloyal, than they ever have been or are likely ever to be. Their capacity to determine their own futures has improved, and they have taken advantage of it. To repeat the earlier comment. I am not bothered about it. It is just the way things are.”

    This is by far the best comment I have in the recent past. (Because I echo this feeling exactly :D)

    AA the post was great and the comment section awesome.

    Fuck it all. Lets just enjoy football. Lets enjoy the Arsenal style football.

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  24. Thanks for the kind remarks – agree with A23, many great comments, as usual.

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  25. Defining loyalty and looking back over the history of players leaving the club doesn’t help me at all.

    My problem is that a player I have admired for 8 years and watched grow and grow in adversity,who claimed to be Arsenal through and through, who became captain and became one the best players in the world just upped sticks and joined our biggest rival to win them the title when he could have just as easily have won it with us…..and the club helped him do it.

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  26. g69: On a different note, what a lovely player is that Gundogan boy from Dmund. What range of skills, passing ability and spatial awareness. Just 20 hrs old. He plays the volante role currently but I expect him to be pushed up further next year when Gotze leaves.

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  27. Shotta,
    Gundogan is most definitely a great waiting to happen.
    Just like our Jack…
    Kudos to Dortmund for developing such great talent

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  28. …and it is all very well Arsene saying that we scored the same number of goals without him this year as we did with him last year but in my twisted greedy mind that doesn’t mean we didn’t miss him it means that with him we would have scored twice as many goals

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  29. Georgaki-pyrovolitis's avatar

    Arsenal Andrew
    An excellent piece there my friend. Not sure whether I should feel as forlorn as you adumbrate, but I do despair at the motives of so many fans lately…I think I like to adopt Pendantic’s attitude to them…they can all just F**k OFF!

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  30. The thing is I want to identify with our players when I watch my team and I want them to identify with me because for me that is the essence of our football club. Anything that detracts from that whether it be great players jumping ship or supporters booing players sucks the life out of it.

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  31. Then you are in for a few episodes of disappointment in the future Frank. What you are relying on does not exist. Whether it ever did is a moot point.

    A fair question might be why we do not see to be taking advantage of this decline in “loyalty”.

    Great talent Gundogan, didn’t realise he is just 20. He will be on the market this Summer.

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  32. I have always identified with the players, Anicoll5, and I have always felt that they identify with the club. Players join and players leave and my reactions to both vary according to a complex soup of circumstances, context and distraction. But my reaction to this last fiasco has been profound because it has had an enormous effect on both clubs concerned and to the detriment of ours. I have never known any player leaving our club to have had such an impact and yes I was around when Frank Stapleton did the same thing.

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  33. Frank May 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm . you are correct, and perhaps thats why arsene opted for kids/supporters as the second generation because the question of “loyalty” was always running through his mind , surely. especially after he saw how not even the french henry and vieira didnt want to stay forever. but it takes time. plus the cesc/nasri/robin generation screwed him big time…it takes time to take a kid and erase all the neanderthal instincts coached elsewhere or being part of the natural culture and fill it with the sophistication required the football wenger wants. it takes time to teach an english kid to approach the game like the kid in holland or spain. but this time he is doing it with kids who are supporters of the club…he is creating the soul.

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  34. I pay their wages (or a bit of it anyway), I study them, I listen to them, I read what they have to say, I cheer them, from time to time I shout at them, and they make me proud to be a Arsenal supporter as long as they give their all, win, lose or draw – but I never think I know them.

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  35. What an excellent piece of writing. I wouldn’t disagree with a single word. Well done, Andrew.

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  36. Not in the biblical sense !

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  37. I agree with h13 and therefore I have not given up hope

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  38. …and add in Per and Kos and players of that calibre and character who are likely not to get above themselves

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  39. Brilliant, Andrew!

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  40. pedantic George @arseblagger's avatar

    My problem is with the player who pretend to love the club.Then shit on us.Fuck e’m
    My problem with the fans is that they dont enjoy the game we strive to play and principals,like loyalty and honesty.Fuck them too.

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  41. Anicoll, loyalty, to me, does not imply that a player will only play for one club in his whole life. If I leave one job to work for another, it does not necessarily mean that I am being disloyal to the former but If I put out disrespectfull comments and so forth, then I am being a disloyal jerk and not respecting what was done for me. Let us remember that other players have left under good circumstances, one recent player is Gael Clichy, I don’t remember anyone saying anything negative about him.

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  42. pedantic George @arseblagger's avatar

    No Paul they just say Gail is shit.
    Which he is not

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  43. True, George. I surely wanted him to stay as I did Toure. Excellent servants for the club.

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  44. Fins, I think the comedian was idiotic to be honest.

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  45. Probably he was, all things considered.
    But he was not as dumb as the person that booked him in!

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  46. That is true, I am sure his style was no secret.

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  47. I’m amazed to see Hunter has caused so much aggravation – he is very funny and perfectly house trained;

    I think someone got their wires crossed

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  48. i have no idea who this reginald is , though obviously one my lost cousins since we share the same name and all 🙂 and i couldnt stop laughing at ” they say it with such authority and conviction” he speaks of in anicol’s video at 2:30 onwards. they do the same to arsenal wenger and our players.

    ive been trying to find the pfa video to see the context under which he said what he said. any links ?

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