Positivistas Ho,
A little glow of satisfaction this morning I am sure warming us as we go about our daily chores as a result of last night’s events. I admit after Saturday’s disappointment and bad luck at the Hawthorns I was a little worried we would take the field under a cloud and take time to get going. The ‘cloud’ such as it was lasted all of five minutes. After that clear skies and warm sunshine.
Not just a satisfactory result, but a night on which our players showed what they can do with the ball, and just as importantly without the ball, to take apart Zagreb. I see the stats of possession on arse.com split the game just 53/47% in our favour. I don’t care, our 53% was twice as good as their 47%.
3-0 was, in my view, probably a slightly generous score to the Croatians given the balance of the contest. If we had knocked in five or six it might have better reflected our dominance.
I hardly need to point out our top performers in Alexis and Ozil, both superb even by their own lofty standards, but sound performances all over the pitch. ‘PROFESSIONAL’ that’s what we were last night ‘PROFESSIONAL’. The much derided Flamini bossed the centre of the park and I have noticed, whisper it quietly, he no longer gets booked every game. He may be 31 years old but he is an intelligent player who still is learning and adapting his game. If you keep fit and continue to keep your aggression under control Matty you have a long run in the side in front of you.
Talking of ‘much derided’ wasn’t Joel Campbell good last night ? Best game I have seen him for us, playing with real confidence in his touch and in taking on opposition players. His good effort provides Arsene with a bit of dilemma for Carrow Road on Sunday as to who to start on the right.
And Aaron ? Good to see him back and getting 25 minutes of action under his belt.
For our visitors a torrid evening but far play to them, they cracked but never shattered. The main reason we did not get to five or six was a top performance from keeper Eduardo, another gloved guardian who can look back on a good night at the Ems. 16 shots on target – that is busy !
So where does this leave us ?
With our fate very much in our own hands for what will be a HELL of a night in Piraeus on Wednesday the 9th. The killer issue for us is scoring goals. The question for the Greeks is whether to stick or twist. Intriguing, and I trust we will be getting UEFA’s top, top referee, for he will be in for a busy night. More of a steep hill than a mountain, but eminently conquerable if we show the same attitude from the first minute as was on display last night.
Enjoy your Wednesday and we shall meet later in the week.
Positively Arsenal 
Sorry people, Not so good so I’ve dropped the ball.
Keep up the good work.
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The old fart’s thoughts:
A 3-0 win at the Grove was the best since walloping ManU by the same score. It kept hopes alive that we might make it through given a good win at Olympiakos. A major incentive seeing that the alternative is a Thursday night fixture list in the Europa. Given our record in Piraeus it will not be easy. Unlike this game.
We started slowly but speeded up after about 10 minutes. Then the fun started. First a blue moon incident when Alexis’ pinpoint cross was headed home by Oz. A headed goal from Oz? A rare sight. That he didn’t get a second header later in the second half was a great pity. So close and arguably coming from our best move of the game.
The difference between virtually the same side on Saturday wasn’t all that great (Flamster in for Le Coq/Arteta and Joel keeping his place at the expense of Kieran Gibbs) yet the performance was so much better. Joel as with Hector Bellerin gave a much improved performance, Nacho was even better and Oz, Alexis and Santi were making space for themselves almost at will. Good stuff to watch as was our second goal when Nacho gave Alexis a tap in to break his recent drought.
We seemed to go more into coasting mode in the second half and Petr actually had to make a save. Not just a save, a near miracle save off a close range deflection of Kos’s clearance which caught the Flamster perfectly. How he got down in time to push the ball wide still amazes me.
And then time for Rambo to make a welcome back substitution. He’d not been on for more than 5 minutes when a lovely bit of skill from Joel broke him through and thence to lay on a great ball to Alexis who needed no encouragement to round the keeper and slot home our third.
This was a good evening’s entertainment. Let’s keep it up over the week-end and get the bitter taste of West Brom out of our mouths.
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It was particularly good to see the surge of energy that Ramsey injected when he came on – and also to witness Campbell play with the belief that he belonged in the team. It seems to me that since he re-joined us after the World Cup – and again after his loan last January to the end of the season he has worked particularly hard on his fitness. He covers a lot of ground now and for that alone he is a welcome recruit. That he also showed moments of real vision (his ball to Alexis would have had the world swooning had it come from Ozil’s boot) and also an ability to take on and beat a man suggests that the cupboard is not quite as bare as many thought. It is always good to see players really try hard (and of course they show this in different ways) but with Ozil, Alexis, Campbell and Ramsey showing real industry and miles covered in the midfield, and Bellerin and Monreal commuting up and down the flanks with such regularity, there can be few complaints from the fans. And if they can maintain that consistently, and if others can raise their output to similar levels then the results will come.
And get well soon George.
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Much satisfaction indeed Andrew. What a response from the Gunners. We always knew a bad result doesn’t automatically turn these talented group of players into crap ones. Absolutely superb.
I’ll give mention to Nacho Monreal. What a player he’s turned out to be. I think the tag of not being a “star” player fits him well. There’s no demands from the goonverse for him to play like Giroud to Messi for example. He just go out there and quietly turned into the best LB in Europe without breaking a sweat. Wonderful what happen if “negaholics” just lay off your back.
Next up in CL will be the Greeks, that game will be like a Cup final and we know how this Arsenal team do in Cup finals.
Norrich!!!
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Excellent job as usual A5. While you guys were having fun post-game I had a chance to watch my DBS recording. Apart from excellent performance by the entire team, special kudos are due to Joel Campbell. He seems to have found his feet; I lost count of the number of his defence splitting forward passes between full-back and center-half as well as his willingness to make marauding dribbles down the wing setting up crossing opportunities. Yet it is not so long ago on these very pages we had people willing to write him off.
The other observation I made is that the Alexis down the right experiment did not last very long. But you never know what fresh tricks are up the sleeve of senile old Wenger.
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Luck. I can quite see why Mills believes it doesn’t exist, but I think it is a magical word coined to explain the unpredictability of life (easier by far for humankind to imagine logical order rules their days) just as perhaps God is a word invented to account for that most difficult of notions, Time.
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I think the “Alexis down the right” experiment was the follow up to the “Gibbs down the left” experiment Shotts – and last night was definitely not a Gibbs down the left night.
Good call on Monreal Labo as he performs week in and week out making very few mistakes. He has also , in the past few games, seemed much more effective in his attacking work. That may be because he and Sanchez has played together so often to get a real understanding of each other.
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To me FH, luck is a word that covers detailed descriptions of what is actually happpening when physics is at play when we dont like what we see or cannot be bothered to go deeper (for whatever reason). But in any even moment thats its not just physics in play, but everything( chemistry, thought,biology,weather etc the list is long). If we really look and could really examine a game of football, its complexity is mind boggling and would take years to analyse just one game. I dont think a logical order runs the systems (perhaps there is?)but a highly complex system of cause and reaction and sub-reactions etc which seem simple to grasp but is in fact the opposite.Its tough to greasp the morals of it, and I dont like it for sure either. Im not sure I understand logic,and under certain tests is fails.Like Rene Descartes thought he was Absolute because he percieved his own thought and logically declared “he was”, and the buddha laughed his ass off as old Rene was still relative in logic and mind and Uncle Buddha knew a think or two about not thinking.And knew that that wasnt Absolute either.
For me luck is a word like lazy and saves us going into any depth(not because we dont want to, but because its mightly complex). I cant find luck or nothingness, even though I search.Of course the physists might find nothingness, but I’ll wager they wont, not in the 3rd dimension anyway ( he said trying to cover his ass).
What God might be is even more difficult to understand, and Im not sure if God only relates to time, because that would only be one part of God by the way we’ve either conceptually or instinctively tried to understand God(whether it exists or not).Also time is the one of the greatest of our illusions, once off the planet earth, time and movement trajectory are desruptive of our linear time illusion which doesnt really exist anymore unless we tried to force it but there are to many strange astromomical laws that break our idea of time .
However our understanding of God is odd in that it is relative, where as many scriptures/art forms that try to describe God as Absolute, in which case it cant be time, as time is realtive and so is our relaltionship to God not the Absolute God but a realtive God, or does the Absolute have a way of communicating experience relatively and still stay Absolute, in which case is language is a failure? I think it is, Western philosophy proves it, it cant ever get a grasp of things( flux is the fucker, as well the dharma boys know) and language is limited.
So is art a failure,without doubt (Giacometti knew this well but used it as a spur, to keep trying in the face of failure,yet conceptaul art is still stuck in the egostic machinations of May 68 and thinks its a success>in the terms of being absolute>, but thats hooey but dont tell them as they get all uspet), music is seemingly able (yet isnt either)when composers are trying to describe things they fail(hence the search in abstraction for years, but even any art describing the omniptoent in abstarct form can only be relative).ie Barnett Newman is a failure as much as Giacometti, only Newman thought he got “there”, in which case why does it look so absurd now?or is that only in my opinion? Rennaissance art stood the test of time because it played failure(by nature of its subject matter and by its perspective usage) but its illluions were so strong that they pleased the eye and tricked the mind into believing its good?Which is a relative idea. Unless youre technically gifted or interested in that genre, most people cannot say why Picasso is great ( to me hes shit) and that Wally Wood is crap.Answer:class, and class attitude to subject matter.Yet Wood might arguably have had a more profound affect on the planet that Picasso. Yet we see that we all like art so it fails but still creates much enjoyment.But culture certainly creates a fantasy world with a world, and all do it,every single person, at one time or another, even the dharma boys who say they are trying to break it.Why is it we dislike the world enough to re-create it? Fills the hole between birth and death? But is it a hole and are we using our time properly? I dont think so, but if we started to understand the nature of the mind, it would have a devistating affect on the world, and culture.It wouldnt be the same world.
Question is why do any writers or artist carry on?To me its either a) search for absolute(even if bound in realtivity) or playing the Absolute(which is alas for their egos) bound in realtivity.Its not a new idea, but it could still answer the question.They perhaps dislike elements of life enough to believe it needs something added or their own biography was so horrible that they need to re-create(subcreate?)?Culture is a strange pool of oddity–enjoyment,the ability to uplift us, yet in bed with hypocrisy and corruption and ultimately a failure, which perhaps keeps spurring people on to finally make the Absolute art work. Which isnt possible!Our repsonse to any art form is our problem, and in any case is biographical, realtive and as complex beyond out minds.
So if everything is therefore relative so what is the Absolute? Certainly beyond our knowing at least in the terms of dualistic thinking?Anything Absolute cannot have a relationship with anything relative,at least by language structure, which is in itself a failure to really describe anything. But anything that would be Absolute would be beyond the dualistic capabilities of language, which is relative so who knows if it could trancend such problems?
To be honest I havent a clue. And thats why Sillery is always throwing rock buns at my head! Soz, seem to have got on a ramble here.
COYG!
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Excellent Andrew – glad you had a good one to write up. George – hope you are OK
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Mills – that’s the best post I’ve ever read on a football blog.
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Mills proving the late great Neville Cardus correct. Who can know football who only football knows? As he almost said.
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But I still use the word luck as a shorthand. It’s just so convenient.
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Joel knows Olymiakos inside out.
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Le Coq is our for 3 months (make that 6 in Arsenal time).
Does Arsene still have Kim Kallstrom’s phone number?
Otherwise it’s a combination of Flamini/Chambers/Arteta in the holding role.
Ramsey could do it as well, but his talents are better suited closer to the opposition goal.
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wins and performances like last nights are made all the sweeter when you see the reaction of the AAA and WOB, their efforts to detract from it is oh so funny, “it was a nothing performance”, Zagreb are only a pub team”, “Chambers was lost in midfield”, and of course we see them distort Wenger’s after game comments, his explanation that Giroud and Bellerin were taken off cos they went into the game carrying knocks and he wanted to be cautious has now been turned into “Giroud and Bellerin injury doubts for Norwich”.
Negativity sells and too many blogs etc put hits ahead of actual support of Arsenal.
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When the duo of Alexis and Ozil combine as they can (the rest weren’t bad) is such Football close to the absolute (it’s not called total football for nuffink)?
When Rio Ferdinand describes Ozil as an artist is this a result of divine inspiration?
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Get well soon George.
I hope the two best players in the league (IBSF) helped cheer you up!
Try not to worry about WWIII…
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Mills – a post worthy of John Stuart Mill – almost your namesake, but I’m sure you know more about him than I do.
Eddy – I don’t know why you bother wasting time reading these people. Don’t read them and you won’t be outraged. Same as yesterday evening with the Olympiacos record – if there are people who think it will be easy, then they are also not worth my time. I ignore them and they go away (or at least, out of my vision). I seem to remember by the way that one of those losses against them was when we had already qualified from the group and Arsene sent the kids down there, so it doesn’t have any bearing on anything today – or in two weeks time to be more precise.
As anicoll4 says, let’s just enjoy the warm afterglow of a performance which reminds of what this squad (even with 7th best choices in it hahaha) is capable of, especially when the opposition want to play football. A lot of respect for DZ’s courage and positive approach to the game but they were just steamrollered. Fortunately, Olympiakos have a dilemma – do they park the bus à las Pulis, or try and beat us. The first choice risks giving us the advantage and momentum; the second, an open game, will almost certainly play to our strengths. We on the other hand know exactly what we have to do. I’m not saying we will win or that it will be easy, just that we know we can.
Last night was also notable for the patience and discipline we showed and I think we’re increasingly seeing that side of the team. It will stand us in good stead in Piraeus.
Just no more injuries, please. I see that after Norwich, we have 6 days free before Sun’lun’ and then 4 days to Athens – a decent restitution period.
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An interesting range of world view between an acceptance of luck, or ill luck more often, as the unknowable programme along which our lives progress and football marches are won and lost. Some luck, presumably, self directed – “when you come to a for in the path, take it!” For others it is written.
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Come back quick George before it becomes Philosophically Arsenal.
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Eduardo @ 2:07 pm
“Negativity sells and too many blogs etc put hits ahead of actual support of Arsenal.”
That is why you won’t find 300-400 idiots posting here on PA. Most other bloggers are on an ego trip rather than supporting the players and managers.
Thank heavens to George for PA and given his positive spirit I am sure he will get better soon.
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It was a shame there were so many empty seats last night, but at least it meant that the crowd that bothered to turn up were mostly positive and behind the team. In return they were treated to a sparkling performance of real quality. Despite what the negativistas are trying to assert, Dinamo Zagreb is not a rubbish team. Most of their players seem to be imported from Brazil and they know how to play good football there. They moved the ball well and created a few dangerous moments, especially at the start and end of the game. But AFC are better and once they started moving the ball at speed, Zagreb were no match for the boys in red and white.
Did they show the light and flag show at the start of the match on TV? I thought it was a good touch and really got the atmosphere going. The club are certainly trying all they can to stoke some passion from the moaning embers of ‘support’.
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I switched on at the last minute Pass, to avoid any more drivel from Owen and the pundits than was strictly necessary, so I missed the pre game display. I hear all the lights went out !
The gaps in the seats were a bit of a shame as it was a cheap game/Cat B from what I saw on the Exchange and it was a really good performance.
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Im still not sure what luck is. One example I thought of was in the film Private Ryan where on of the soldiers has a bullet bounce of his helmet, and Caparso( sorry cant reacall the spelling) said ” lucky bastard”, and the soldier took his helmet off, as the bulet put a dent in it, then the next second took a bullet in his forehead and was killed.Luck? Unlucky? Neither.The first was the unstoppable force(bullet) meeting the unmovable object(helmet).The unstoppable force by a set of physics(and chemistry) at that precise mixture meant it stopped, whilst the unmovable object (the helmet) moved (and dented in).Why it happened wasnt luck but physics and chemistry.For when he took the helmet off we see it went through his skull. But because we preseume that bullets shoudl go through X and it doesnt we call it luck. But its purely a blanket term thats quciker to say( or as Steww points out, easier to use).
Fins youre right about Ö+A playing absolute football, but its still realtive absolute football.
When I saw the miss by Joel Campbell against WBA it could be said that he was unlucky not to score or WBA were lucky that he didnt? But it was neither, I cant verify this, only Joel can, but to me, he had a stroke of bad faith( Sartre)or just became too aware in that split second and in a quickest of quick split moments he became conscious of a) he can score b) he must score as AFC are behind C) fuck I can score here and become a new hero and everyone will love me, (ok all hypthetical but just offering ideas)…by being so aware of himself (and its much better if the mind operates in a strangely unconscious place in football) he sent the worng message to his foot, which couldnt make the right physics to put the ball in the net. But it was neither luck (for WBA) nor unlucky for Joel.
The same is if a team his the post and bar 20 times and the other team has 10% of the possession, and wins, thats not luck or unlucky.Or will, and the polemical forces of action and reaction, and every other element that can be dragged in at that moment. For some years Ive argued that psychology plays a massive part in football on UA, its an area that AW excels in. Monreal is the lastest proof, from scapegoat to hero,but their are always factors at play.
I also think that psychology and injuries to players are totally linked but thats another story.
Why do some people seem lucky and others not? Because of other factors the determin, not some magic? Whats magic? But if God exists(etc) and then we pray are we asking for focus on the thing we want?Some people have told me that praying is talking to the self.Others day we have a higher self.Im not sure i have a clue. Is all life chemistry and physics? I have no idea.I dont rule out the metaphysical and it was really interesting that FH brought it up in the same post.But how can anything in a realtive world not be linked to one another?
Is all will? Are we God?(in a relative form?) when we pray are we praying to ourselves, or is God outside of ourselves as certain religions state? God certainly didnt answer my prayers years ago when we played against York City and Lukic let in the penalty! Or God isnt involved and YC had the will and other factors at their usage?
A strange bloke I knew years ago always used to say to me that religion and science were two sides of the same coin groping around in the dark trying to find answers.Considering our background class and education I was always pretty amazed by this.Perhaps chemistry and physics as explainations are also on the same side of God.Its al the same?
Then you get that moment in Bannanas, where Diane says to Woody ” have you ever noticed that God is dog spelt backwards. And Miles looks at her and says ” yeah So?”.
Most interestingly of all though is that the Buddhas worked it out that voidness and matter are the same, and quantum physics proved this beyond doubt,its the same, so are we working at logger-heads? Perhaps we can never work anything out as language is so limited as I wnet on about before? But sadly questions of luck and the forces behind it, make us start to try and verify the darkest elements of psychology and our attractions of wills and Im not able to do that or even necessarily am sure.But if so its really not funny.
Its like science, how much of it do we know to be true? As an ordinary person, Im interested in science, but Im not a scientist, so I get the cream, and the fame of science, and cannot verify anything,so what do I really know?Its mostly second hand knowledge(or 25th hand more like). Now the world of science is upside down, flat earth and centre of the universe scientists are arguing that they are right, and also creationist astrophysicsts try to argue that they are right, and how can I know? OK , I can have some better chance of trying to verify metaphysics, but then the psychologists tell me Im a twat and its all just brain chemistry creating illusions. And the dharma boys arent to far off that either.
But Ive had some profoundly strange experiences that psychology cannot answer, and it seems many humans have too.But the world is really materialistic in its thinking hence we collectively allow the destrcution of our home for lifestyle( buy now and some other will pay for it, of course if the Buddhas are right, then we might well be the ones to pay) so if anyone says I want to help humanity in certain ways then they are loons, yet so much of society is equally looney, yet just gets establishment endorsement and therfore is ok.
If life paths are already written then there is no luck, but if we are attracted to a path then is that something guiding us that metaphysical or just our will seeking what we want?Or both.
So yet again Ive written a load without getting anywhere! Except I still dont think theres any luck, but others types of elements/forces/will/thought etc at play.
Cheers to everyone at PA, for even allowing all of this to be discussed.It might seem left field but it all plays a big part of the crazy old game of football.
COYG!
Soz if theres too many spelling errors or lost paths of ideas but my partner wants her dinner,(Sillerys rock buns) and Im the chef in our house and Ive been rushing with this.
ps Get well soon George.
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Nah Joel was just unlucky. Even if you’re right and all those thoughts went through his head and made him miss, he was just unlucky that all those thoughts went through his head and made him miss.
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no he wasnt unlucky he made a choice( albeit and perahps full of fear) to think those things in reaction to the various events at that second which in the end meant he missed the chance to score.Or the onimpotent forced him…
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sorry should have written ( albeit unconscious and full of fear).
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Joel Campbell was really impressive last night. The quality of some of his passes and that assist for Alexis shows that he is not out of his depth in this Arsenal team. He still has some rough edges to smooth off and occasionally makes the wrong choice with the ball, but he is young and learning. I’m sure the more he plays and begins to feel comfortable in the lofty company at Arsenal, he will surprise a few doubters.
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or of course he could have been filled with excitement rather than fear. Either way no luck or bad luck involved. Football:chemistry+psychology +physics etc.or the puppets of the Omnipotent, or both.
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Has Andy5 got his ‘away’ ticket sorted for Norwich?
http://tickets.canaries.co.uk/PagesPublic/ProductBrowse/productHome.aspx
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As for luck?
the fat lady owes Arsenal some,
big time.
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…amendment to 5.35pm. He “chose” to think is wrong. In fact the polemics that were presented to him caused a reaction, which then resulted in the miss:polemic,psychological reaction,brain sends message to body, then miss. Its actually normal to mess things up even if your a pro, which is something people dont seem to understand. I also think that there is a place for philosophy in football blogs.
UA have the “football should be an art” poster and are proud of it.Wenger may have well thought of “art” in the terms of “way/style” which is the German meaning of the word.Critical thinking is all we have to making things work to objectives imo,otherwise is *unty capitalism abound. And Wengers various philosophies/critical thinking changed our club beyond comprehension, or mine at least.
All apologies if using Joels miss as an example of the “luck” bullhsit has offened.When I saw it I felt very sorry for him,(and having to swallow the shame of that) having played to a high standard myself (with two guys from my team who went pro/semi pro so you get an idea of how good we were, most of us were at least county level) I personally know well how many time I fucked things up, and I just spent years thinking about how these things function in football/life. I could have used any example, Brady v Valencia, Jennings v Spurs, Den v Man U in the epic semi, or Gordon whatshisname for Brighton v Spurs, of course the list is endless,all players all clubs.All humans all life.To live is to err.
I personally have no doubt about JC especially with Wenger wanting him to stay.Just because a player makes a mistake doesnt mean that I dont like that player or consider them great, otherwise Id be chewing kack with Peters friends.
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No chance DC – the few home tickets spare were sold out weeks ago to Nawridge members – even No1 son who goes to midweek games at Carrow Road missed out.
I shall be hunched in front of the box, Twitter on, driving our lads forward with positive thoughts
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George injured as well! What is Wenger doing.
Both my lads went last night and they said there was actually some doomers moaning about Campbell. I thought it was possibly his best game, he took responsibility and at points even dictated play.
I’ve heard some scumbags on the radio have a go about supporters for not turning up. While I think it’s a shame, to totally ignore the largest attack on Europe in years proves just how low these radio scum are prepared to go
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you know that old bollock that Wenger never considers the opponents, tactics, etc, and he would never even dream of using video analysis, well guess what, Jens Lehmann in an interview about the invincibles had this to say
“We were perfectly prepared, Arsène Wenger was one of the first managers to use video footage to dissect our opponents and to analyse our performances with the tiniest details.
“We also had very complex statistics. For example, we knew whether or not, from the 70 minute mark, an opponent would break physically. Nothing was left to chance.”
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Watching a very good Juve performance – just 1-0 but fully in charge
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Great write up Anicoll…
Excellent performance from the boys…
Get well soon PG….
We can do it….
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http://dailycannon.com/2015/11/the-physio-francis-coquelins-knee-injury/?
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Arsenal played at a much higher technical level than Juventus or ManShitty tonight
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man utd have to beat Wolfsburg away in the last game of the group to be sure of going through, as a loss would mean a psv win or draw would mean the dutch side going through, a utd draw would mean a psv win would also see utd out.
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Good point Ian @7.40 pm, I didn’t think about the effect of the Paris and Mali events on some people’s decision whether to turn out for the match yesterday. The heightened security around the game was certainly a sobering experience.
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Watched the last bit of Manyoo and a limp effort from LvG’s men against PSV – they face a very stiff test in Wolfsburg and need the win
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Spanish Gooner @ElSpanishGooner 18s18 seconds ago
Imagine after all the stick we had Arsenal go through and Man Utd don’t, would be mad.
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Watching Irish telly post-match analysis of Utd, Eddy.
Destroying Van Gaal and Man Utd.
“Imagine what a Barca, Bayern or any decent team would do to them? They’re doomed to mediocrity”.
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Giles and Dunphy very scathing in their analysis of Schenderlin, basically said he can’t pass, and has not got the bottle to play for a big club, that he is another one of those that looks great at a Southampton, but out of his depth at a Man Utd.
but they must be wrong, he would have been a bargain at £27M for Arsenal, isn’t that what we keep being told.
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Morgan would never have started ahead of Le Coq and he knew it.
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dc on tonights showing he would not start ahead of Flamini.
FK² @fkhanage 24m24 minutes ago
Martial has scored just 1 goal in his last 18 hours of football. Giroud has netted 10 in the same time. But that’s none of our business.
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Utd fans boo’d loudly when they saw that Fellini and Young were togging out to come on as subs.
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From BC Sport
21:30
88 minutes. Nothing going on. If you’d have told me during my youth that I’d ever watch a Manchester United side so devoid of urgency and attacking threat, I’d have told you I’d believe it when Woolworths and Our Price shut down…
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if only utd had spent some big money in the last few years, isn’t that the answer
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