Sometimes I wonder why I bother with this site. What porpose does it have? I have written dozens of articles and said nothing new, original or educational. The regulars in the comments section , on the whole, know more about football and Arsenal than I do. I cant write like any of the other authors that contribute, so why bother?
Then my friends I read some comments and think “that’s why”. These people are why ! These people are what makes it worth the effort.
From ianspace2014
“My point is I would rather achieve 4th place with OUR team than win the league with an eleven of other peoples players. There is nothing wrong with the Mesuts and Alexis of this world but each player coming in must feel like an ARSENAL player dedicated to us and combining with our youth players.”
Then I read Kelly (alabamagooner) , she had this to say.
“Finally. Someone is able to express things that Hunter{Ed. Hunter is a regular poster} makes me too mad to articulate. So, I’m going to give it another go, to try to explain to Hunter and to everyone else.
I don’t care if we never win another PL title. There. I said it. If I cared about that, I’d support Chelsea. I have no historical connection to either club, so who cares, right? Just pick Chelsea instead, right? Here’s why I don’t do that: Arsenal mean something to me. The club, and its way of doing things, MEAN something. And that something isn’t to be the biggest bullies in the league, to destroy everyone on sight in some sort of macho rutting contest. What means something to me is to see a group of men work hard to achieve something. To weather the ups and downs together. To clearly care about each other and about their leader. A leader, (I’ll remind Hunter, who to his immense credit may be AW’s biggest fan) who sets this tone as the way he wants his football team to operate. Do I want to Arsenal to win the league? Of course I do! But I want it for them. Not for me. And that’s where I differ from many.
Yes, of course Hunter you are right. There are certainly better players out there than we have. There are better players in every single position. I can’t possibly argue that point with you. But I don’t love them. Of course the pundits say Arsenal need x,y, z players. They don’t care whether we get them or not. They aren’t attached to the team. They aren’t rooting for the team we have to pull together and achieve the very best that they can. I am. That’s the emotion of sport. That’s why I care about it. I hurt for them when they lose, and rejoice for them when they win. It’s not about me. That’s why I never get angry when we lose. Only sad.
We’ll buy players in the summer. We’ll lose players in the summer. I will mourn those who leave, and embrace those who come. But you will never, ever hear me say we should ditch a player we have for a better, flashier model. That’s not the way I see things. If you do…well, ok, that’s your way. You’re a better competitor than me. It’s a good thing I don’t run the club. But I wonder if you enjoy it like I do. If one little passing move that comes off in the midst of a game where nothing is going right can make you cheer and clap your hands. If seeing players and manager smile in training after a horribly disappointing weekend makes you feel everything is ok again. Or if you just want to string them all up until they perform to your exacting standards.
There. I’ve bared my soul…and it’s 3:00 in the morning in England, so no one is even going to read it. A shout into the void.”
And that dear reader is why this site exists. Not as a vehicle for my ego. But for a place that lovers of Arsenal can come and express that love , free from the barracking of entitled fans that demand Arsenal provide them with bragging rights and buy them success and silverware.
We all have hopes and dreams for Arsenal, but when they become expectations and demands that is when we cross the line between real fans and entitled customers.
When we scream for new players, a different manager or demand different tactics, again we are leaving behind the fan aspect and turning into customers playing Football Manager.
Those that shout the loudest , know the least. Its the same in most walks of life. I find the fans that think they have the answers don’t even understand the questions.
Its very obvious that the people who thought we played badly against Swansea and Sunderland don’t understand football or sport at all. But, boy oh boy, can they SHOUT
Positively Arsenal 
Hunter, there’s no more ardent practitioner of absolutism than you. I acknowledged your position has merit, even if It’s not for me. I’ve never seen you do the same for my POV. All I tried to do was explain how I feel. All you’ve tried to do is convert me to yours.
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I’m late to Kelly’s article.
I truly love it.
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Hunter, you’re saying that no one here agrees with you that signing Eto, Aguero or the Lesser Ronaldo would improve the squad?
Do you think that’s because you forgot Messi? IBSF III
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A younger Eto perhaps. Or a younger Ronaldo. Romario’s lovechild? My work colleagues email address includes the name Bebeto, it’s a bit late for him tbh.
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Having read all the comments, I haven’t got a clue what Hunter is on about.
Can someone translate for me?
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None of Giroud, Welbeck or Theo have been match fit for much of this season. Poldi went away with the Faries. Not much material for a master artist like Özil to work from.
There is defiantly room for another striker in the squad, and if they are ‘street wise’ all the better, but there is a line: no Costa’s please! It took all of Jose’s weasel words to the press corp to keep Costa on the pitch instead of receiving the ten red cards he should have got. No Arsenal player will get the luxury of protection from punishment in the English system – you know that Hunter, so there is no point in carrying out for the kind of player who would get strung up by PGMOL refs while wearing an Arsenal shirt.
And I think Juve are going to send the spoilt little Culés brats running home crying to their mamas.
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Is it that there is an implication that the current players aren’t imbued with the correct ‘winning mentality’?
A two year cup run puts that argument to bed.
Can we never overtake Chelsea or City because the squad don’t have the street smarts to fight dirty when they need to?
Watch Danny’s two footer at Solar at the bridge again.
Are the players lacking in tactical know how (or this weird thing people call ‘self-belief’) to get to a major European Cup final?
Most of them have been to finals for their own countries, many have winners medals, Arsenal just happen to have an exceptionally long run of bad luck, notwithstanding some of the most extraordinarily wonderful European football nights they have produced you will ever have seen from any team anywhere. I’ll take that over Chelsea’s hollow pumped out chest calls over the tin pot the nicked in Munich all day long, every day.
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Fuck Barca, fuck Chelsea.
Go to hell any club that sends out players to cheat, dive and thieve their way to success.
Kelly is not in the wrong for not wanting to see that kind of DNA becoming The Arsenal Way.
And fuck Juve too, but just a little less than Barcelona.
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Bless you, DC. You’re a star. The idea that they don’t have a winning mentality – ridiculous.
And thanks, Georgaki. I hope we get to share another meal one day!
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Hunter, many just think we actually already have the strikers and wingers, … welbeck, giroud sanchez, theo, Ox, gnabry, to mention a few who can play the role of bringing out the best in Ozil
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I am glad that Welbeck only has a bruised knee and although he won’t think so right now this enforced break won’t be doing him any harm. I hope that next year will really be his year and that he comes to love playing for Arsenal and living in London. I am going tomorrow and wondered if anyone would like to meet up before the game. If so, where and when?
Can anyone tell me anything about the ref? I though it was Clattenburg, which pleased me, but now find it is Robert Madley. Should I be anxious about this?
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I appreciate this squad and these players because they do feel like the team is Arsenal’s own team, rather than a team bought fit for purpose. I think if you look at the successful football dynasties, it as an Ian says, a combination between outside purchases and youth products. That seems to be what Arsene is building, a dynasty to dominate.
And in this regard, I do not see what the controversy is about Hunter’s ‘POV’, as it were. It seems he is just saying that the team should do what we all want them to do, for themselves, for the club, for Arsene – win, and win big. I do not see how his commments are the cause of vitriol, because they are quite reasonable and far removed from the fanboy ‘buy buy buy’ mentality.
For a long time I have felt that there is an edge missing, that unfathomable hunger. But I think about Cazorla’s free kick last year. Ramsey’s winner. They are getting there.
It takes tremendous ego to fight the fair, noble fight as Arsene does. I think his way is the way of his players. I expect as the physical capability returns to the formerly injured players we will see the same players but on an entirely higher level. Some of them are already shitting themselves. The task if the for the team to make the whole league quiver in fear. I expect we will see the pschological edge returning to Arsenal football club. Only cheating referees can try to stop them, but with this squad depth, I wonder if even that obstacle is being surmounted.
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Madeley is a boy FH, wet behind the ears but checking his records I can find no extreme misbehaviour and his last two games at the Ems were easy home wins. It may be Arsene has an eye on him for a future more senior role. We may send him out on loan next season to the Championship.
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A good laugh on a Saturday morning:
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first time to comment hear but a regular reader nonetheless
i am happy that i have found a site that really put everything into perspective
so refreshing
This club called Arsenal is an epitomy of anything good as far as soccer is concerned
Fans should learn on what they wish for
Newcatle anyone
i love ARSENAL and Arsene – no more no less
so i appreciate your analysis
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Hunter, you’re saying that no one here agrees with you that signing Eto, Aguero or the Lesser Ronaldo would improve the squad?
hehe…have you missed the discussions where apparently we shouldnt have/go for players like suarez robben cech casillas ?we show preference for an arteta instead of a fabregas which is pretty insane but ok i understand there is emotion involved there..even though for me it was only about the money….he wanted beyond 200k, which he is getting which we were never going to pay
thing is that some of such players as you say too, can improve the squad but the sheer mention of them entices reactions like ‘ oh so you dont trust world class chesney ????? youre no true supporter. you dont understand football and sports very well’
see what i mean ? have i ever turned and said ‘ those who dont see we need x dont understand football/sports very well? …. 😉 🙂 🙂
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Having read all the comments, I haven’t got a clue what Hunter is on about.
Can someone translate for me?
george youve seen tons of football in your life ..surely you ve recognised those who defined big moments/games. how many do you see in the current arsenal squad?
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sorry alabama i thiink theres a misunderstadning…never called you absolute …was refering to the comment of the article that says ‘whoever cant see X doesnt understand football/sports’..dont know who wrote it…
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dc , cant disagree with any of that, especially the ref bias. however big players can even beat refs too. vieira didnt have it easy here but he still destroyed teams…ok he is an exception cause he is a bit unique..animal..
in general not much that separates us just the wording might provoke defensive reactions which i think are unnecessary …
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have you missed the discussions where apparently we shouldnt have/go for players like suarez robben cech casillas
Did I? Have you forgotten that it was I who informed you last summer that Alexis Sanchez would have a better first season in the PL then Suarez. Which is what has happened. Andi had to inform you of that because you were groaning like an arse whilst the Arsenal had just taken another step forward and confirmed to all two had been Groaning that they, the club, had known beyond any reasonable doubt what it is that they had been doing. So, thanks again for that. Great fun. Not.
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– minus a ‘two’
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WS shared the golden glove last season with Cech, who has been dropped for a younger keeper, who should’ve been dropped for said keeper last season. Would Cech need a stinger helmet at AFC? Casillas? Don’t be silly. Robben, a signing at his age? Never a consideration and totally out of budget before, why would anyone want to waste their breath or energy discussing Robben?
It all sounds like gibberish to me. I just don’t believe the hype.
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Stronger Kevlar helmet
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you keep saying that as if it is the definitive status of wojo….. sturridge was top scorer last year too…when we all saw that without koscielny they are all unable to shut down shop
those names …i never said to get them specifically..just the type …but people get stuck on the names and the memories associated to the name and react negatively .
here you go about robben’s age… or how cech was displaced by courtois..when that is not in the sepctrum of the discussion rather what those type of world class players can offer.
forget the name ‘petr cech’ or ‘casillas’ for a minute …think of a keeper with petr cech experience and know-how at the top level of football.
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in the same respect the mention of an eto or suarez is to show how we can need a striker who makes defenders crap it. i dont see many defenders crapping it with the prospect of facing giroud. do you?
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anyway lets not go in circles ..the crux is this
”thing is that some of such players as you say too, can improve the squad but the sheer mention of them entices reactions like ‘ oh so you dont trust world class chesney ????? youre no true supporter. you dont understand football and sports very well’ ”
this ^^^^ absolute position that wanting better means we dont know what were on about..very classless.
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Yes let’s not go in circles.
I did well not to mention your groaning about Özil when he was palpably unfit. That was fucking awful hunter.
If age and constitution are omitted from the spectrum of these discussions that you want to have then these “discussions” have no relevance to the sport that we are watching, like the crap you wrote about Özil at the start of the season. Oh look, he’s pkaying in the tennish area of the pitch, and Ramsey who recently returned from niggles has got the short wide forward straw. There’s a fucking surprise, I can tell you!
You are chatting the same kind of gibberish excreted by those that you often are so critical of.
You’ve dug yourself into a hole here. I
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Ignoring the crap above, the really interesting thought this season, going into next, is how long can Santi hold off the No.8ish role from Ramsey? Only up till the moment when as he signs an extension? Is AW that crafty and cheeky?
Are AFC going to have Rosicky and Cazorla as two reserve/squad CMs going into this next period, guiding the younger legs?
Will Cazorla and Ramsey rotate more next season? Given the manager’s comments on Walcott, the fitness issues we’ve all seen players have after a long time time out such as Ramsey Wilshere Rosicky etc. maybe Walcott’s just being eased back and looked after so that he has a good pre-season? AFC get injuries, Walcott will get his minutes and keeping Cazrola and Rosicky will save mad scrambles for good players on loan if and when an injury crisis hits.
Looks all good to me. And as soon as Santi signs an extension we might see a subtle development? This is all mindless speculation but it is surely better then boring agent fed transfer bollocks?
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I’ve figured out what sets my teeth on edge, Hunter. It’s not that you suggest there are players who could improve us, and that we should try to get some of them if we can. As Sav (I believe) said, there’s not really much controversial about that.
The problem is the way you insult the players we have. I can hear the sneer in your voice when you say “world class chesney”. I imagine it being accompanied by an eye-roll that would make a teenager proud. You say “you know I love Giroud”, but nothing else you say leads me to believe there’s truth in that statement. Seems like you just feel obligated to say it. Same with Ozil. You give me the impression you really think we should be shot of him. You do seem to like Aaron, and clearly love Kos. Anyone else you would keep if you had all the money in the world?
I struggle to remember times when you compliment anything our players do. I know you have, but all that sticks with me is the contempt you seem to have for some of them. I mean, while we’re on the subject of classlessness, and all…
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lol….we saw him when he was fit against monaco united chelsea…. anyway ive said it many times..he knows football..its his soft character im worried about. are you saying he aint soft?
wrong again ala….. im just willing to accpet any player’s limitations and im open minded to an alternative… it is you who think that because we want someone better we automatically dismiss what we currently have as shit and diabolical….
yes i might come out as harsh on players..its because wenger has proved his worth when the players were right…he has nothing to confirm. some of our players do though….im not saying anything wrong.
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There’s the problem right there:
Anyone attempting to describe a footballer from a Turkish Muslim who is a superstar of German Football adored by his peers all over (don’t care about the fans or plundit said) as soft has, as a groaning idiot would say, they have “lost the plot”.
You do know that Viera was on the pitch for the 49tu game. By the football gods hunter, how much insincere crap can you write in one day?
I’m done.
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Or blame a playmaker for the Monaco defeat.
A sure fire way to undermine your credibility upon a football blog.
Carry On. No need for anyone to anymore.
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Yes, Hunter, yes. I’m saying Ozil is not soft. That’s what I’m saying. He’s an incredible player and an incredible competitor.
You, however, didn’t answer my question. Are there any players you would keep if you had all the money in the world? I never said you thought they were shit. I said you insult them. Prove me wrong.
“…because we want someone better we dismiss what we have has shit and diabolical…” Not “we”, Hunter. You. You are the only one here who does this. Others say players have bad games, others express interest in new players. I have no problems with that. I assert you would get rid of most of our players if money were unlimited. Prove me wrong. Who’s good enough in your opinion?
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well, lets hope some will not have a fit if AW does not sign more than 1 player this summer…
AW went in suarez.. likely the guy wanted out of pool but wanted more to go to Spain. be sure that if suarez really waned to come to us, Pool would have had little choice!
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ok so we disagree then…you would take ozil arteta and per to war with you..id leave him in some office and take koscielny sanchez and the ox
you tell me off about answering questions..heh…. 5 times iv ementioned it and noone dares reply
whats this absolutism ‘ if you want x you dont know/understand football’ ? says who?
maybe its the other way round…and those who cant get the value of the services of a cech, a casillas an eto a suarez are the ones who dont know/understand football….just saying….
you want to treat ozil like the best in the world .. ..let him beat fabregas for assists first and then we talk again…. or help us win the title like cesc did for chelsea, xavi for barca pirlo for juve and then lets say whatever you want… but NO you guys want to treat ozil like bergkamp and zidanne already when he has not proven it…thats what makes no sense….
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I assert you would get rid of most of our players if money were unlimited. Prove me wrong. Who’s good enough in your opinion?
good enough for what alabama? clarify what the targets are please. top4, the title? the cl? what is the target?
you cant have it both ways…one hand you want players to make runs so as to fully utlisie ozil and on the other you will moan when we ask for a striker to provide us those runs.
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if we need strikers and wingers like madrid’s to fully utilise ozil then get them, dont tell me we will do it with giroud cause then its you who dont know/understand football ….got it?
if we need a personality who has been there and done it then you dont dismiss the option of a petr cech or a casillas, especially when goalkeepers get better with age and still has 3-4 years of top service to offer…. nor do you say ridiculous things like..’oh it will disrupt chesney’ ..
when you play vidal and schweinsteiger and iniesta you better have fucking quality and fighting spirit to deal with that, not arteta. which soul depository will mikel search for when facing guys who have been in semis, finals and won multiple la liga titles or cls ? coquelin’s energy will only take you as far…
you take all these things as criticisms ot the current players when its just a description of their strong and weaker points. you dont need me to tell you that big games are decided by big players. players who step up and not shy away from the occasion.
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I have no doubt you understand football. You understand it very well, certainly better than me. Support, however? I’m going to declare myself the winner of that contest.
So, let’s see: dump Ozil, Per, Arteta. Ospina and Szczesny, too, I assume, since you want Casillas and/or Cech. But, you didn’t say that for sure. Want Fabregas, so who are you dumping? Santi or Ramsey? Tell me Hunter. Don’t beat around the bush. “5 times I’ve answered it”. Where? I’m sorry I don’t remember seeing that. You’ve dumped three and kept three so far. 19 to go.
Stop bringing up “you don’t know football”. I never said that. You’re arguing with me now. You want war…you’ve got it. I’m tired of backing off this fight with you. Let’s finish it. 25 man squad – who do you keep?
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When the average groaning blog acknowledges that having Welbeck out has led to a bit of fatigue for OG, the old athletic/physical part that hunter keeps ignoring, that’s an indication of low hunter is going atm.
Here we all know that the model at AFC since 07/08 has prescribed one lump as an option out of three or maybe even more strikers.
So given that you are ignoring what has been opbious to all observers of the club, it is fair comment to describe those groaning about of OG as ignorant of the Football at AFC. Very fair comment indeed.
If you don’t like to hear it I suggest that you stop being so “soft”.
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Stop giving me examples of players we don’t have and can’t get. I’m asking about the current squad. Who do you keep? You won’t tell me.
I’d keep them all, by the way. But it’s not my decision to make, and AW will make better ones. But I’m asking you about yours.
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Groaning about OG at the moment. It’s pathetic behaviour.
e.g.: my preference for quick players is not exactly a state secret.
Carry On.
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so if cech and co have been there and done it, has the Chelsea keeper not now gotten there and done it? would he have if cech had not been dropped for him? He went to athleti and proved himself, before then, what had he won? he only showed the right potentials
Point is we have player capable of doing it… for all the disdain, Giroud was a league winner in ligue one before he came to us so he had proven at a level and then been brought to higher one… this season was disrupted by injuries for him, and here and there he had off days… he did not do too badly.
Ozil has done it with Madrid and Germany before coming to us and while with us so what is the point we are making again? yes our players can do better is where all do agree… that they are at their very best now is what i do not agree with.
Theo is come back from Injuries, he is capable of more sharpness than presently on display. we have the players to go for the league.
Bellerin has not done it before but nothing is his performance shows he cannot take the pressure of doing it.
Sanchez showed all the signs in Barca,, even he is capable of improving his link up with his team mates…
The list goes on
No how you can argue that this present squad will not improve in the new season.
They young must grow!
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The next smiley face I see will be the last.
” if you want x you dont know/understand football’ Who has said that btw?
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But hey, I’ll play ! If you think Cesc is better than Ozil you don’t understand football.
Even Moureen thinks Ozil is the best No10.
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“Clarify what targets”. Why, your targets, Hunter. Who is good enough, in your opinion, to keep and achieve your targets? I’ve already said what my targets are. I want to enjoy watching my team play. The team we have does that for me. I’m asking about you. Go.
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Its like walking on eggshells somewhat….I don’t get the anger in this discussion. I read Hunter’s comments and I don’t understand why there is a big fuss.
Personalities and experience are points to debate. Having a discussion is not shitting on present players. I appreciate Arteta’s skills and leadership. Ozil has mad skills. But having a debate about their relative skills and weaknesses in an objective sense should generate a debate, not a war, surely?
For the record, I am of the opinion that the talent is there but this squad has to prove it to themselves. Arsene can take them to the mountain but they have to climb it. It won’t be easy. There are some tough characters – and I want to see these boys become men and win it with their own hands. Would I scorn the right addition to help? Would anyone?
Tell you who I would not want. Pogba. Too much ego….now that I’ve said we’ll probably see him unveiled in a few months lol
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alabamagooner
May 23, 2015 at 4:44 pm
youre going to tell me about support too? because im the guy who has set up my life to be close to arsenal…..
but the whole point of the discussion is the absolute beahviour of telling others that :
‘ if you want X , or if you cant see Y then you dont understand/ know how football/sports work’
thats what is offensive… everything else is excuses….
finsbury
May 23, 2015 at 4:47 pm
what athletic/physical part are you talking about…? you need a killer up front mate. dont you understand that? would you describe giroud as a killer? i think he is a nice guy, a good professional who can offer a lot playing as target man but we also want someone to bully defenders and create space and finish. does that show me up as someone who dont know football? lol…
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Ozil has done it with Madrid and Germany before coming to us and while with us so what is the point we are making again?
but madrid has quality all over…so does germany ..and it wasnt ozil that defined the victories/achievements but others. off course he played his part..but when madrid needed someone to score when it mattered they had ronaldo and benzema for instance…when germany had to show guts and dominate they had muller and schweinsteiger for example. different platform and surrounded by different players. big players who spoke at the big momments.
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if you want me to treat ozil like a pires then i wont do that till he contributes at least 50% of what robert did whereas some of you have already placed ozil on a higher echelon than players who have done more than him. what you gonna tell me now? that pires wasnt as good as ozil? make me laugh……
because truth is pires does not know perhaps and not have the same vision playmaking ability as ozil maybe…yet a non winger made the best winger of the country ( giggs) look like an amateur..scoring 15 assisting 15 every fucking year. and winning the title with lion performances in tough places, a guy with not much pace and making the left side/line his personal playground humiliating all before him.
when we have players who can replicate such form and attitude say what you want….
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Sav, I’m sorry. But I am angry. Hunter always wants war. He wants killing and raping (don’t even get me started on the inappropriate use of that word. I let that go.) Fine. War it is. I’m tired of the way he insults our players. It’s insulting the language he uses to describe them: weak, soft, not fighters. I have no problem with debating the qualities of players. I have a huge problem with language so insulting it makes me think he hates them all. So I’m asking: who would he keep? He won’t answer.
Hunter, I never questioned your knowledge of football. Never once. I’m not sure why you keep directing that at me. Have that fight with George. I want to know who you would keep. Still no answer.
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Support: give approval, comfort or encouragement to.
I’ve never once seen you do that Hunter. Not on here anyway. In person, at the stadium, you may be different. I hope you are. But the online you is the only one I know.
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Sav
Who is forcing poor misfiring hunter to compare Ozil to Pires.
He’s arguing with his own tail.
That is not a world class argument. Not up to our usual standards I’m afraid. We need to do better.
why would anyone to try to praise a Petro club and their players for the protection they receive from the PGMOB on an arsenal blog, when we all know the long history between the FA and AFC.
strange.
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alabama…we are talking in a football sense my dear…yes on the football pitch you want fighters.
calling ozil a bit soft is not insulting, its the truth. he is a delicate artist and not that comfortable with the gritty part of the game. if you find words like ‘soft’ insulting then maybe youre too sensitive….i certainly cant be held responsible for you thinking i hate them all …. i dont hate anyone i just prefer more options which to you sounds like higher blasphemy…
why are you angry? lol….. youre not the one being told that if you think certain ways you dont know football… or have others questioning your support/dedication etc.
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Alabama, I don’t agree with some of the stronger language myself. But I take the point about egos and fighters in football. Its always been like that as far as my ‘history of football’ DVDs tell me hehe. I would say we have some players that on their way to becoming legends. But given the nature of the sport, they need to win it. I daresay they know that more than us.
well…they don’t really need to ‘win’…I dunno…its different for club football…but we all remember ‘those’ ’74 and ’78 Dutch teams, the ’82 Brazil teams. That was style. Or Argentina ’06, my dad was drooling.
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